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#77 Sep 28 2005 at 10:10 PM Rating: Good
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A Merceanary gets paid to do something he doesn't want to do.


No.

A Mercenary gets paid to do someone else's dirty work when it doesn't benefit them at all, aside from the money factor. They don't get much EXP, they hardly get drops, and all they do is waste a bunch of their own time to do work for other people. That's why people pay them.

You're not a mercenary, just an elitest ******* with nothing better to do besides rip people off for your "services."

On my server, at your level, there are plenty of tanks searching, most searching for days. You didn't do a favor for anyone. You just ripped them off.
#78REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 10:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh, and where do you get your definition of a mercenary from?
#79 Sep 28 2005 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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So, I'm a BRD, right? I go around unanon'd and people invite me to parties. I say no, they offer me money, and I say no again. And then they blacklist me. Can't win, now can I?


If somebody would blist a Bard or anybody for not joining a party then that is not a person you want to group with. Heck as a Bard I'm sure if that person was ever in your party, you could have them kicked out. Don't lower yourself to joining parties because you feel pressure, and don't lower yourself to charging people to play with you. If you're that arrogant of a Bard then you should leave the job.

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The point is this:

a Mercenary is someone who does somethign he doesn't want to do for payment.

This was exactly my case. No Comprende?

I Did something, I Did not want to do, for money.


Actually I don't think this puts you in the classification of a mercenary. A mercenary is a sword for hire that will do any job that comes before them. They have no personal ambition or desires to do or not do something.

I believe what you did by "not wanting to do it" more or less put you in the classification of a prostitute.

Really though, level 42 and you didn't want to xp? I have to laugh at that.

That's about all there is to say about you, other then you're really just a low person.

...Oh, and would you please stop acting like you're a real mercenary or something? Really dude, it's getting old. Mercenary this, mercenary that, mercenaries don't want to wipe their @ss but they do it for money.

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How is an Exp party beyond supposed "limits" please show me this rule somewhere?

Thats perposterous. A Merceanary gets paid to do something he doesn't want to do.

Don't you understand that a role of a Mercenary is purely subjective.

There is no "Golden Rules" for mercenaries. It Differs from situation to situation. But the base remains:
Performing services they don't want to do, for money.


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#80 Sep 28 2005 at 11:26 PM Rating: Default
any one wanna put a donation to the "i will blow my brains out for 5 million gil charity" ??

please donate handsomley...

for only 50,000 gil you get a life time signed autograph of this mercnary and a letter each week telling you how he is doing.
#81 Sep 28 2005 at 11:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I really love how people think they can come of telling ME, what I can/can't and should/shouldn't do. That's what I love about the free-roaming game. As long as it's within the LAW, I can do whatever I want. It's all my choice.

Nobody's saying you can't do it. They're saying you're a prick for doing it.

If it were a fair transaction, you should have MPK'd yourself in front of them until you lost all the EXP you gained over the hour.
#82 Sep 29 2005 at 3:04 AM Rating: Decent
Question to OP ; Do you charge your mom for taking out the trash?

#83 Sep 29 2005 at 3:34 AM Rating: Default
i take it peoples humour died because theyre not being paid to laugh lol
#84 Sep 29 2005 at 5:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and where do you get your definition of a mercenary from?

Just because people agree with you? rofl, You see its all opinions isn't it.



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mer·ce·nar·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrs-nr)
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Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
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I guess I was only motivated by money, I had no motivation for the actual XP gain.

Hojpoj, the bolded statement in your quote above seems to best describe you here. What you fail to realize is that the behavior you exhibit defines your in-game personality and how they perceive you. You seem stuck on defined rules and definitions, well let me give you a couple of definitions:

Character
5. Moral quality; the principles and motives that control the
life; as, a man of character; his character saves him from
suspicion.

Etiquette
The practices and forms prescribed by social convention or by authority.


And given the fact that PLD is your main job, that just makes it even more tasteless. But, after reading all these posts and seeing that you are STILL inclined to disagree with the mass, I leave you with another definition:


Ignorance
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
#85REDACTED, Posted: Sep 29 2005 at 12:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have a quote fo my own for you.
#86 Sep 29 2005 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
I believe 100% in the mercenary concept. Every weekend I go with my blm linkshell to Palborough and do KSNM30s for better part of half of Saturday. The people who do these have enough Seals but generally no Linkshell or Friends that can or want, to help. So that's where we come in, mercenaries. We kill the KS30 or him in about 3 minutes. He coming into the party uses his orb, and decided whether he wants to split the profit 50/50, or can choose 1 item(Vclaw) to keep if and only if it drops. If it does not drop then the rest of it is ours totally. Doing things like this honestly helps those who don't have high enough Linkshells and or friends to help them, both sides win in the end.
As for the paying you to party, I would tell you to kiss my *** before I had to pay you. If you have to get paid, it doesn't say much about your character and morals. How do I know that if it got bad in the middle of a fight you would not just run away, or warp out? So not happening.
#87 Sep 29 2005 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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#88 Sep 29 2005 at 1:16 PM Rating: Default
Last time I checked, Vana'Diel didn't have a Socialist economic system. If people were willing to pay him cause he was the only tank out there, why shouldn't he take it? I personally wouldn't have, but if someone else in a pt was willing to, I'd sure as hell stay and reap the benefits. Everyone who's preaching about community and helping others, start donating your Pins and Charms and Haubergeons and other ridiculously expensive gear to the AHs so people don't have to find new and innovative ways of getting the gil for it. Or just accept the fact that everyone takes advantage of others in some way, whether or not they realize it, and that keeps the game turning. Or we can go with the third option: petition SE to eliminate gil entirely and make everything rare/ex, so that in order to get any item you have to quest it or get a drop. Even then, there'd be people who'd take advantage of the system and find some way around avoiding a bad reputation. That's just the way it works.
#89 Sep 29 2005 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Your FFXI server isn't as small as you may think. The more you interact with people in a certain way, the more people learn to understand your nature as such. It's called reputation. Yeah, some "tough" people may say that reputation means nothing to them but when Limit 1 takes forever because no one is willing to help you, that's reputation for ya. Then you'll probably end up paying someone exactly like yourself to obtain the items you'll need for the quest, then what? What goes around comes around. It's people like you that I don't blist even though I probably should. Why? Because I'll most likely see you shouting for help in Jeuno some day.

Fortunately, many people get into great Linkshells that help them avoid people like you. Linkshells that you won't fit into because of your mentality.

Edited, Thu Sep 29 14:48:56 2005 by Dawnn
#90 Sep 29 2005 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
It would have been funny if at the end of the party they let him tank while all disbanding. Send the gil to his Mog house and let him take the hit in exp. He didn't want it anyway.
#91 Sep 29 2005 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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As many people stated above, what would everyone else do if BRDs, or RDMs started asking for gil for being in an experience party?

Well, at least I won't do it, because it just feels totally wrong to get experience points and gil from my party members. It even feels worse than when one of the party members goes AFK for a couple of fights now and then, at least these guys aren't messing up with other players' wallets. Of course, if I don't feel like joining a party, and want to make gil instead, I will just go out and join a BCNM, or farm, or craft for a while. My choice in jobs doesn't let me become a Merc and help others with quests, because a level 56 BRD (my highest job) sure as hell won't be much help on an AF run, or on high level Missions. But, I will always gladly help anyone who asks nicely to get those darn Kazham Keys, Missions 1 through 5, or get their RSE1, for free. Yeah, for free, don't be surprised, I got help so many times on those same quests/missions, it's now my duty to help others on what they need.

End of discussion.
#92 Sep 29 2005 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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What is really sad is that a post was started in his own server forum asking if his server community would help him for free.

Everyone (except one person) said they would help him get things done for free.
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#93 Sep 29 2005 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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a post was started in his own server forum asking if his server community would help him for free.

Everyone (except one person) said they would help him get things done for free.
The thread exists, but your count is false.

As a preliminary matter, note that the thread was started by someone who, like you, is not from this guy's server, Ragnarok.

And (more to the point), of the six Ragnarokers who responded to the OP, at least three expressly said they would never pay a mercenary. I only see one person who says, under some specific circumstances, he might help the guy "for free."

On a personal note, you obviously have counted me as saying I "would help him get things done for free"; in fact, I said nothing of the sort. I didn't answer the question. Most of the Ragnarokers who responded also didn't answer that question. Maybe because it is really none of your business.

Lying about our responses is not the right way to deal with people who have the temerity not to agree with you immediately and unreservedly. I suggest you apologize and correct your error publicly.
#94 Sep 29 2005 at 4:19 PM Rating: Excellent
Moral issues aside, you're within your right to make whatever set whatever price for your tanking services.

If someone's silly enough to accept this offer, fine. You didn't force it on them.

I would have gladly paid you 20k to tank the party under one condition:

Before the party disbands you have to be killed and raised until you are back to the exp count at the party's start.


After all:

1. You didn't feel like exping.

2. For your time and services your charge was 20k. You are not entitled to that exp which you would have been unable to solo within that time period.

The real question is, had that been the condition, would you still have tanked this party for 20k?

If your answer is 'no', the your continuing argument the 'you did not want to exp' is moot.
#95 Sep 29 2005 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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MJS the Venerable wrote:

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a post was started in his own server forum asking if his server community would help him for free.

Everyone (except one person) said they would help him get things done for free.
The thread exists, but your count is false.


You're right. There were TWO people as of the time of this posting who said they would charge him. They are Tamandra and Chuchuwally.

One person ACTUALLY said they would NOW help Hajpoj, FOR FREE, due to the fact that all the big, bad meanies in this thread (which he started, proudly trumpeting the fact that he became a "merc" by taking advantage of a lack of tanks looking at his level) are picking on him. That person is Dreyvin.

Then there are three people who have avoided the question Acepod, and later myself, asked. One of those people, you, avoided the question multiple times. Those three people are yourself (MJS the Venerable), Altdeer and EarthShaker.

MJS the Venerable wrote:

As a preliminary matter, note that the thread was started by someone who, like you, is not from this guy's server, Ragnarok.


Just because you posted in this main thread doesn't mean everyone on Ragnarok knows about Hajpoj. Perhaps that is why Acepod started the thread. Who knows? I didn't start that thread but seeing as how it was already going, I posed a question to your server, which only one person answered. You still have not answered the question even after I had to repeat it for you. /sarcasm "I Demand public apology" /endsarcasm
The question still remains, and I'll pose it for all the servers now and all future readers of this thread.

Would you charge someone to help them on AF, Missions, anything knowing they had charged others to be their tank in an exp party?
And (more to the point), of the six Ragnarokers who responded to the OP, at least three expressly said they would never pay a mercenary. I only see one person who says, under some specific circumstances, he might help the guy "for free."

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On a personal note, you obviously have counted me as saying I "would help him get things done for free"; in fact, I said nothing of the sort. I didn't answer the question. Most of the Ragnarokers who responded also didn't answer that question. Maybe because it is really none of your business.


Maybe it isn't. However, this is a forum board about the game, people's experiences with it and their opinions on matters. If it was none of my business you could have choosen not to post in the thread. Threads like these are obviously started to guage what other people think. That is the inherent function of a forum website. People post what they have done, or even what they are thinking of doing, and other people reply. There is no harm in asking whether your server knows of Hajpoj, and with the newfound fact of his past actions, whether they would treat him similarly to the way he acted.

If you were really all that interested in things not being other people's business, you wouldn't be posting in the first place so that is a pretty lame argument. Perhaps instead of playing the apparent crusader of justice that you make yourself out to be, maybe next time if you don't really want to post a relevant reply in a thread on your sever forum about someone from your server dealing with actions that they exhibited on your server then don't.


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#96 Sep 29 2005 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
Dreyviin wrote:


Being an *** will ruin your reputation faster than having a party who agrees to pay you a miniscule 20k to do something you don't want to do.




Fixed. Elite wasn't the best term, I guess.
#97 Sep 29 2005 at 4:26 PM Rating: Default
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God, normally I don't drop to the lvls of insult but I have to today. People are idiots, true idiots. How can you honestly say what this guy did wasn't the right thing to do.

He found a way to make gil AND get exp at the same time. Was it morally right, thats up for debate all day long based upon your value system. Calling someone out on their values is a moot point and falling back on morals as an argument is weak.

If you put a bronxe subligar in you bazzar and I come pay 400k gil for it so be it. Double dumbass on me, just as it was dumbass on the party for agreeing to pay for a tank. The OP did what every business man and woman has done from the start of recorded history. CHARGE!!! Taken advantage of a situration.

Every great businessman and woman built there business by charging people to do a job. His job was to tank, no other tanks so he says "F*** You, Pay Me" and he gets exp to boot. Its the way the world runs and capitalism is built on profiting at others expense, so why should in game be any different.


And to the idiot who said he should lose all the exp he gained, c'mon, don't just be stupid. DON'T JUST BE FLAT OUT STUPID, JUST AVOID BEING FLAT OUT STUPID AT ALL COST. ******.

Maybe its just cause its the end of the month and my job is stressing me but some of the poster here are just morons.


Edited, Thu Sep 29 17:38:18 2005 by thetrott
#98 Sep 29 2005 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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Umm, if you don't feel like xping, why not put {Experience Points}{No thanks} in your comment?

You set a price, which doesn't make you a mercenary so much as a *****. See, a mercenary does a job he likes to do but he only does it for pay. A ***** lets people drag her along to do what they want to do but she may not feel like doing because the money's worth it to her and she's got money needs like the rest of us, that's how she knows to earn it so she's got to shake the booty and sell her company.

Just my 2 gil. (Do I get fries with that?)
#99 Sep 29 2005 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Umm, if you don't feel like xping, why not put {Experience Points}{No thanks} in your comment?

You set a price, which doesn't make you a mercenary so much as a *****. See, a mercenary does a job he likes to do but he only does it for pay. A ***** lets people drag her along to do what they want to do but she may not feel like doing because the money's worth it to her and she's got money needs like the rest of us, that's how she knows to earn it so she's got to shake the booty and sell her company.

Just my 2 gil. (Do I get fries with that?)


Not to disagree just for the sake of disagreeing, but usually the connotation Mercenary never involves liking the jobs you do.


I hate G1, but if someone were to pay me to do it I'd still be a merc. So I guess Mercs are gil whores, but that comes with the territory.
#100 Sep 29 2005 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dreyviin wrote:
Dreyviin wrote:


Being an *** will ruin your reputation faster than having a party who agrees to pay you a miniscule 20k to do something you don't want to do.




Fixed. Elite wasn't the best term, I guess.



In the minds of the majority of posters on this thread, being an *** and adverstising to be a party member for gil are one an the same.

Kinda like going and helping someone for free who was an *** to others would be. That would be being an *** too. That's precisely what you offered to Hajpoj. Same thing as people who party with gilsellers -- no different. People are judged by the company they keep as well.

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#101 Sep 29 2005 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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"In the minds of the majority of posters on this thread, being an *** and adverstising to be a party member for gil are one an the same."

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