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#52 Sep 28 2005 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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So long as everyone in the party that's paying you, agrees in advance TO pay you, I really don't see the problems that most others here seem to see. Maybe the party is being foolish, but there's no fraud here; they're making an informaed decision.

That isn't to say I see NO problems with it. I see two or three. First, as a practical matter, some members of the party are likely to remember you like this: "grr, he's the guy who charged us," without reminding themselves that they agreed TO pay, voluntarily. Perhaps they aren't being fair, but fair often has nothing to do with people's emotional memories.

Second, most parties that go a {Long time} will replace some members. It's difficult to explain to newcomers, especially non-English speakers, that if they come, they'll have to "pitch in." Some may join without understanding, and then be very irritated (or may refuse to pay, whereupon, I assume, you would promptly leave).

The third problem I see is Paladin-specific; it's a role-playing objection. Paladins simply aren't supposed to be mercenaries. Ever. IMO, Paladin is the least mercenary of all jobs, including even White Mage. I'm told that one cannot become a Paladin if one has "kept the fishing rod" obtained in a Northern San d'Oria quest (the boy who lost his father). Paladins are supposed to be archetypal Good Guys. Again, JMO, and only a role-playing concern, not a practical one. You're free to play however you like; maybe you're a "black knight errant" and the role-playing still works for you.
#53 Sep 28 2005 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Hajpoj wrote:

I myself, became a MERC Palidan once,


LMFAO!

Hajpoj wrote:

I was in jeuno, didn't feel much like XPing, I just wanted to make some gil, but I got swamped by like 6-7 tells for parties. I went /anon and did a /sea pld, nin, war in my level range and discovered there were none...

So knowing this, I realized I could make some gil, I threw my flag up, along with a Message: PLD Mercenary for hire, $20,000 Gil, I Stay for 1 level up for each party member.


Oh wait. You're serious! LMFAO!! Man I can't stop laughing. I just coughed up my lower intestine. I've never heard something funnier in my life about FFXI.

Hajpoj wrote:

About 10 minutes passed, and I recieved 2 tells, one offered me $10k, the other $5k, I explained to them, $20k thats it! first one accepted my terms and I was off. an hour passed and everyone including I had leveled, no deaths, and no hate loss once. I left then, I explained to them, I did not want to party, I only did it for the money. The BLM was even Kind enuff to give me a warp.


Ok, this is funnier. Those people that "hired you" (*cough* that you extorted *cough*) are pretty stupid. What's the race to 75 people that you would pay some low-life to be your tank? Hell, get another job to tank for you. It's not like a 42 Paladin is God's gift to FFXI.

Hajpoj wrote:

In Conclusion, I just want to say, Long Live the Mercenary.


I agree. Hopefully everyone on Ragnarok will charge Hajpoj anytime he needs something done. Anytime he wants to join your party or invites you to his, charge him because "Simply, it was something you didn't want to do." Anytime he shouts for anything in Lower Jeuno. Charge Him. AF? Charge Him. Nation Missions? Charge him! ZM's? Charge Him!! CoP? Charge Him!


Hajpoj wrote:
Well, you missed the whole concept, that I didn't want to party,


So don't. Go Anon. That is what it is there for.

Hajpoj wrote:

but since everyone was demanding me, I did what was only fair, put up an asking price.

I could have just said no to anyone, and they all would have sat there w/o a tank.


Which is what they should have done, instead of willingly allowing themselves to be extorted.


Hajpoj wrote:
Well then, I'm sure you have heard of Bribing?

I've actually lost a few WHM's that way to other parties. It's things like that, which is really jacked up.


So I guess you did it back, eh? An eye for an eye? I'm glad there aren't people like you on my server and PLD's are a dime a dozen.

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I Actually have the party leaders names written down, When I get in My 70's,


Yeah I doubt you'll be getting past the Limit Breaks with your attitude. *new idea* HEY RAGNAROK PLAYERS! Charge Hajpoj 1M gil each for every Limit Break! After all, it's something you don't want to do, right?

Hajpoj wrote:

I am going to stalk them, and MPK them while invisable when their guards are down. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Nice. What a tool. Well Ragnarok, here is your evidence to present to GM's if Hajpoj steps out of line.

Hajpoj wrote:
Whole point is, I didn't want to party, but people wanted me, so I decided to capitalize, its basic supply and demand.


And hopefully you'll get yours. I'll let you in on a little secret. While I do agree that merc work isn't all bad, what you did was despicable. This game is about shared experiences more than anything else and greedy players who try to capitalize on the situation (i.e., tanks who charge for exp b/c no other tanks are seeking/available) don't get far. At higher levels, your reputation means a lot and you'll be the one getting MPKed or worse (yes there are worse things) if you choose to be an *** early on in the game. If you didn't want to party, you shouldn't have. It's not like your situation doesn't happen everyday to White Mages, Black Mages, Red Mages and Bards, not to name Ninjas whose costs of tanking far outsurpass a Paladins.
Good luck getting far on Ragnarok because you will need it.

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#54 Sep 28 2005 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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o.o i don't think 20k is worth your reputation...
#55REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 5:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) But its being blown out of proportion, It was a single event six months ago, fyi I never update my profile here.
#56 Sep 28 2005 at 5:06 PM Rating: Default
So, I'm a BRD, right? I go around unanon'd and people invite me to parties. I say no, they offer me money, and I say no again. And then they blacklist me. Can't win, now can I?

But ontopic. If the people want to charge 500k for an exp PT, and you're stupid enough to pay, then the joke's on you. That's it. He didn't force these people to give him their money. They could of waited, but hey, they wanted their exp now.

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Oh wait. You're serious! LMFAO!! Man I can't stop laughing. I just coughed up my lower intestine. I've never heard something funnier in my life about FFXI.



You obviously haven't been playing the game for that long then, huh?
#57 Sep 28 2005 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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traydon wrote:


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Oh wait. You're serious! LMFAO!! Man I can't stop laughing. I just coughed up my lower intestine. I've never heard something funnier in my life about FFXI.



You obviously haven't been playing the game for that long then, huh?


I've been playing for well over 18 months. I've just never heard of someone charging for an exp party OR for that matter, people being stupid enough to even pay for it. Not only stupid, but aggregiously so.
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#58 Sep 28 2005 at 5:22 PM Rating: Default
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I've been playing for well over 18 months. I've just never heard of someone charging for an exp party OR for that matter, people being stupid enough to even pay for it. Not only stupid, but aggregiously so.


Yeah, and it's still not OMG LOL LUNGHACK funny.

If you haven't met people who would readily pay for a job they 'need' in a party(rdm, brd, tank), then you must of been living under a rock. They're everywhere. Seriously.
#59 Sep 28 2005 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Hajpoj wrote:
But its being blown out of proportion, It was a single event six months ago, fyi I never update my profile here.

How is it extortion? I put it in my search comment, which means they had to come to me?

Edited, Wed Sep 28 18:18:54 2005 by Hajpoj


It's not really being blown out of proportion. I guess you could say people here are shocked at the gall you would have to charge others for an exp party. Just remember, 20k isn't worth it for a bad reputation. Remember that.

It's extortion in the sense you are taking advantage of a situation, unfarily, for your own gain. You've already said yourself that you don't even like it when it's done to you, i.e., you even suggested that you would MPK those people who took bribes and left for other parties like White Mages apparently did to you. Well, if you would MPK such people, should we all MPK you? You did the same thing. You're no better.


Man I hope some people on Ragnarok that incident when you ask for help. There is nothing better than hearing about someone getting what they deserve.
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#60 Sep 28 2005 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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TY Dimmauk for sayin what I was thinkin. Everytime I see someone merc'ing their services...automatic /blist. 9 out of 10 times says you didn;t pay for **** tog et where you are.
#61 Sep 28 2005 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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traydon wrote:


If you haven't met people who would readily pay for a job they 'need' in a party(rdm, brd, tank), then you must of been living under a rock.



Said the level 65 Bard to the 75 Thief.
Now that is funny!
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#62 Sep 28 2005 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I understand payment for teleports, donations for raises, and a fee for doing someone else's dirty work for them. Hell, i paid a guy 200k to get me the Yagudao holy Water for my AF, and he didn't even want it.

However, charging to party? EXP for your level isn't enough, you gotta get money from them too?

You didn't wanna party? Then put in your search comment "{Party} {No thanks.}" or something to that effect.

People like you are gonna make other people wanna quit because if this ridiculous and retarded trned catches on, no one will be able to find a party where people won't expect payment for their "services."

I don't think I should start charging for each cure, regen, haste, raise, and bar-spell I put on you. I'm not gonna pay you to be a PLD for my party. I'd rather party with a NIN tank than pay a PLD. (And anyone who knows me well knows I can't party with NIN tanks well.)
#63 Sep 28 2005 at 5:36 PM Rating: Default
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You did the same thing.



How did I leave an already functioning party in the middle XPing for another party leaving them high and dry?

I was just sitting in jeuno with the Comment up, and Was on my merry way. No harm done.
#64 Sep 28 2005 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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traydon wrote:


If you haven't met people who would readily pay for a job they 'need' in a party(rdm, brd, tank), then you must of been living under a rock.



Said the level 65 Bard to the 75 Thief.
Now that is funny!


Elitism will ruin your reputation faster than having a party who agrees to pay you a miniscule 20k to do something you don't want to do.
#65 Sep 28 2005 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default
I'm still laughing at this. It was an isolated incident, and every part of the transaction went smoothly.

My hiring party was content with me, they understood I didn't want to party and Respected my actions. When it was all done they waved goodbye to me and the BLM gave me a warp. I don't see any harm here? And if this is an Isolated Incident that really only concerned them, which in fact was a chore to me. I don't see how you keep saying my reputation is damaged? Everyone involved was satisfied.

You are all trying to depict me as this "tyrant," and making assumptions about me and my current in-game self. it just goes to show that the Alla community is quite hostile to anyone that lies outside of their conformist views.
#66 Sep 28 2005 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Said the level 65 Bard to the 75 Thief.
Now that is funny!


Lets check my playtime.

208 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes and 9 seconds.

Are you trying to hint that because you're a 75 THF, you're some how 'leeter' then me, that you somehow have an infinte knowledge of FFXI? You don't have to be a bard to meet the people who will pay for a job in their party. I've got offers with ninja, too.



#67 Sep 28 2005 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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Dreyviin wrote:
TheBarrister wrote:
traydon wrote:


If you haven't met people who would readily pay for a job they 'need' in a party(rdm, brd, tank), then you must of been living under a rock.



Said the level 65 Bard to the 75 Thief.
Now that is funny!


Elitism will ruin your reputation faster than having a party who agrees to pay you a miniscule 20k to do something you don't want to do.


Are you accusing me of being elite? If so, maybe some basics in reading comprehension and general conversational interpretation might do you some good. Let's review chronologically.

1 - I said that a 42 Paladin CHARGING potential party mates for his "tanking services" was the funniest thing I've ever heard.

2 - Traydon tells me that it is not as funny as I think it is (which is entirely my opinion - the degree of amusement is mine only and I'm not saying everyone would find this to be one of the funniest things they have ever heard, ONLY ME), in a very condescending manner I might add, for example by questioning my playtime. Could we stay on topic here Traydon? Could we?? The OP was about someone charging 20k as a level 42 Paladin (he was level 42 because he has admitted to never changing his sig on here), not about my playtime and whether or not I've witnessed others charging for parties. If you have, great. On my server, asshats like that are blisted by the entire NA population and become the laughing stock of Siren within days. As a matter of fact, I've been on these boards almost as long as I've been playing FFXI and I've never seen someone championing the fact that they extored 20k out of others for their tanking services.

3 - I respond that I have 18+ months of FFXI playing under my belt (since the almighty Traydon called into question my playtime) and that it's true, I have never seen someone pay another just to be a member of their party.

4 - Traydon responds with the above quote. Here it is again for your convenience:

traydon wrote:


If you haven't met people who would readily pay for a job they 'need' in a party(rdm, brd, tank), then you must of been living under a rock.


Now who's elite again? He just accused me of living under a rock! Who's being the snob here??? When you can point me to one thread on this website where one person admits proudly to charging others for being a member of their party OR where someone says it happened to them, then I'll agree I've been living under a rock. Traydon makes it seem as if this happens all the time and jobs like Bard, Red Mage and Tanks are SO in demand that they can just charge others to be in their party.

5 - I responded, rightly so, "Said the 65 Brd to the 75 Thf" because obviously, I haven't been living under a rock if I've levelled 4 jobs almost to level 40 (2 of which are in pretty high demand and expend exhorbitant amounts of gil in parties, Ranger and Ninja, respectively) and 1 job to level 75. This statement wasn't intended as an "I'm better because I'm higher", it was merely a reply to "you must be living under a rock" accusation.


traydon wrote:
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Said the level 65 Bard to the 75 Thief.
Now that is funny!


Lets check my playtime.

208 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes and 9 seconds.

Are you trying to hint that because you're a 75 THF, you're some how 'leeter' then me,


Nope, why would I? I don't even know what "leeter" means? Is that some sort of reference to "elite"? If so, I don't proclaim my gear, skills, knowledge of the game or anything else FFXI related to be more elite than any other people. The sole reason I play this game is to enjoy the company of the friends I've made. If it wasn't for that, there wouldn't be much reason for me to log on. I could care less about what gear others have, what their skills are, what their knowledge of FFXI is, etc. I know what I've got and that is all that is important to me.

Traydon wrote:

that you somehow have an infinte knowledge of FFXI? You don't have to be a bard to meet the people who will pay for a job in their party. I've got offers with ninja, too.


Then that is pretty sad. I can tell you honestly I have never heard of someone offering to be a member of a party or paying someone else to be a member of their party, for gil. Not in 41 levels of Ranger (pre-nerf mind you, where most of the parties on our server had at least one Ranger in them, especially up until level 40ish). Not in 38 levels of Ninja. Not in 33 levels of Warrior. Not in 75 levels of Thief -- and this is the kicker, if you've levelled Thief to 75, you'd know that it is definitely not one of the most sought after jobs, especially after level 60 when SE permits other melee to take our 2 best job abilities and do better damage with them than the primary job for which it was intended. You'd know that sometimes it would have been pretty tempting to pay a Bard or a Red Mage to be in your party. Honestly speaking though, up until this thread was created, that was such a ludicrous thought to me of paying someone else to be in my party, where we both gain the same benefit. You don't want to party? Fine, I can understand that. Charging for it? Nope, I can't understand it. That idea is hilarious to me. What's even funnier is that some people are so desperate in their rush to level that evening or that week that they would actually pay hard earned gil for someone else to get exp right alongside them!
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#68 Sep 28 2005 at 7:52 PM Rating: Default
The point is this:

a Mercenary is someone who does somethign he doesn't want to do for payment.

This was exactly my case. No Comprende?

I Did something, I Did not want to do, for money.
#69 Sep 28 2005 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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If you absolutly didn't want to EXP at all, why did you accept the invite, even though gil was involved?
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Not for XP party. That isn't right. Just because there are not tanks available doesn't mean you have to charge them. The only way I would agree to your deal is if you would die enough times to lose all the XP you gained in my pt. Then and only then would I pay you your 20K.
#71 Sep 28 2005 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
I think that was he did was a very nice idea.

He didn't felt like partying. He did a /sea NIN, WAR, PLD, and not a single tank was there. He just offered his services as a tank to anyone would would pay him. It's perfectly logical, and if these people agreed to pay for a tank because there was none, good for them. They couldn't had partied otherwise.

Good idea OP. ^^

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What a waste of time! 20k for around 2-3 hours work? (Assuming the average 2-3k/hour an average level 40 pick up party makes.)

I can make that much crafting Insect Paste for 30 minutes...

I can't believe a Paladin would charge for a party... I can see a Ninja doing that, but not a Paladin. If you don't want to party, fine, don't do it. If you want to make money, don't charge a party 20k for a level up. It's a terrible way to make money and it's only going to get worse.
There are better ways for a level 40 Paladin to make money, on the plus side they won't ruin your reputation and they're much faster.

#73REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 8:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) actually things went very smoothly, we all gained a level in a 1-hour time span with to deaths or hate loss.
#74 Sep 28 2005 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Hajpoj wrote:
The point is this:

a Mercenary is someone who does somethign he doesn't want to do for payment.

This was exactly my case. No Comprende?

I Did something, I Did not want to do, for money.


Our point is this.
Hopefully some people will get the chance to pay you back for what you did. Hopefully it will happen a lot. Such as you being charged for every single Genkei, every single piece of AF, every single Zilart Mission, every single Home Nation mission and hopefully people will remember that you stooped low enough to charge others to be their tank for an exp party. Then you will realize our point: that there are limits to merc work. Exp parties are way beyond those limits.

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actually things went very smoothly, we all gained a level in a 1-hour time span with to deaths or hate loss.

{Congratuations!} on your level... but that just makes me hate you more XD
#76REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 9:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How is an Exp party beyond supposed "limits" please show me this rule somewhere?
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