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#27 Sep 28 2005 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Well the thing about exp groups is that it's not like you're not getting something whether people pay you or not. like you said, time is money, and you're getting experience points in that party that you'll never have to get again. No one is doing anyone a favor by exping with each other, we're all advancing ourselves and getting something out of it.
#28 Sep 28 2005 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
It even states under Mentors in the FFXI manual that they won't always help for free.

I agree that if someone is being asked to do something they wouldn't want to do, then they are working, therefore should gain some renumeration from it if they are so inclined to charge for their time. It's up to the person wanting the aid to say yes or no. If they don't like paying, try finding someone who will help for free.

Personally I have never charged for any help I have given because I in turn have never had to pay (nor ever been willing to pay) for any help recieved. I did once have someone buy something out of my bazaar simply because I wouldn't take their money which was nice of them for showing gratitude, but I don't personally think that it's necessary.

Edited, Wed Sep 28 11:30:45 2005 by CSnanahara
#29 Sep 28 2005 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
you know i like the idea, i feel bad for having people help me and they spending hours with me helping just me.

i thather pay a mercenary group to help me then have people help me for free.
#30 Sep 28 2005 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
I think you gonna lose more money than you make.

you'll get a reputation, people wont associate with you, you'll end up on 1000 /blists.... you wont be able to do jack, then you'll prolly end up migrating or quitting...... (dont say i'm wrong yet, wait and see)

charge people to be in xp PT? and they paid? what? huh!

I'd leave straight away out of principle... No way would i pay (especially a PLD lol) to be in XP PT....

Good luck with it... If you can find 5 muppets even more desperate than yourself then fair enough...

#31 Sep 28 2005 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
Had to go start another thread didn't you? You could have
easily put your response to sirhumpalot's thread in HIS thread.
Well, I disagree with you on mercenary work.

I have 15 more levels to go to 75BST. Once there, I will do
whatever lvl75's do. I don't know because I'm not there. I do
know that if I am available for help and someone needs it, I
will do it for free. If the mood strikes me and I see a merc
like you trying to wrestle money from somebody who simply needs
a helping hand then I will undercut you by 100%. ZERO payment.
I'll probably even pay him just to rub salt into the wound.

You mercs really **** me off. That is not what this game is
about in my eyes and I'll make sure that some merc on Quetz.
looses out because I can and will do it for free.

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help you, send DUFFMAN a tell and I will if I can. I'll do it
for free to!


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#32 Sep 28 2005 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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Why this deserved it's own thread is beyond me...oh, and:

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The BLM was even Kind enuff to give me a warp.

The BLM should have charged you for that D2. After all, it's a service.
#33 Sep 28 2005 at 11:01 AM Rating: Default
i wonder if i paid the person who done the OP 5 million gil to shoot himself in the head with a doublebarrel shotgun would he do it...




im not sure how he would accept the money after though for doing us the great deed but least theres one less idiot about lol
#34 Sep 28 2005 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I can understand some people charging to help others, but for you to charge an EXP PT for your wonderful and intelligent company is just beyond me. After all, it's not like you get anything out of that right?

Come on dude, get over yourself. If you want to extort some poor person to pay you for doing a nice thing then that's your choice. When it comes to EXP PTs leave the ego at the door. You're a Paladin for crying out loud. Not only is it not Paladin-like to be greasy over money but nowadays lots of people refuse to party with Paladins. I for one, will not party with a Paladin and I certainly wouldn't pay one.

I would pay a Ninja since they're very relaxing due to the fact that I'm not yelling at a Paladin to get in position for a Ballad. Don't worry though, if you're charging people to xp with you then word will get around. Have a good time getting to 75.
#35 Sep 28 2005 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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This **IS** the problem with mercenaries. Where does it end?

Next thing you know NIN's will want the party to pay them, WHM's will charge for cures/raises, BLM will charge their party members for D2, LS members will be charging eachother for help. I mean it starts as a "I have time, but you need to pay me for help", and will eventually end up ruining this game to the point that no one will play it.

Its a community game, centered around helping others, and needing help from others. Charging people for help, will bite you int he *** someday, and when it does i will laugh in your face and spit on you.

Ohh and rate down for the OP. What a ******* ******. Lvl 42 and charging to exp, lol just wait buddy.
#36 Sep 28 2005 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I actually had to pay a LS member 20k the other day for a Raise 2 in Bibiki for some guy in my party that wanted to waste 30mins. :(
#37 Sep 28 2005 at 11:13 AM Rating: Default
This thread seems very similar to the...


"IF WE LET HOMOSEXUALS MARRY, THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW PEOPLE WILL MARRY ANIMALS!!!!"

...argument.



He did it one time. He didn't want to party, so he asked for money.

I'm pretty sure lots of people here have been desperate and offered to give some gil to someone who didn't want to party.

He just cut them to the chase. The people that didn't mind paying did, and the others stayed away.

The balance of FFXI remained untainted.


It all comes down to your personal opinion, which most of you have made painstakingly clear. You may not agree with it, but you shouldn't disrespect someone with trash talk. If a party is fine with paying such a menial 4k/person to get XP that they wouldn't be getting normally, then theres no argument here.

If someone is reluctant to do something, gil is always a factor in changing their mind.


Money talks, and to act like FFXI isn't already like that is kind of silly.

Edited, Wed Sep 28 12:33:24 2005 by Dreyviin

Edited, Wed Sep 28 12:37:23 2005 by Dreyviin
#38REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 12:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's quite comical, How I shared a one-time occurence in what I believe to be a "dabble" in Mercenary Work.
#39 Sep 28 2005 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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If any PLD charged me for his services in an exp party, I'd laugh in his face and wait the 5 minutes before another one shows up seeking. This would be the same if the fee was 500 or 5mil.

Congrats on making the money. I don't think you are a jerk/idiot/whatever, but I think your party was pretty stupid.

And no, nothing in this thread warrants it being in a separate topic. Rated down to get it off the board. We don't need everyone making new topics to reply to existing ones.
#40 Sep 28 2005 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't have invited you if you wanted Gil.

Chances are I would never invite you in the future, and never help you either if I see you need help.. at least without asking some prohibitive price.

Asking for something when you spents hours helping and get nothing out of it is fine.

When you charge for EXP which you *also* get is retarded. I don't care if you are the only whm, pld, brd, blm, whatever on the whole server. I don't want someone like that in the party.

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#41REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 12:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't you understand, that's just you. Everything about FFXi is purely subjective, nothing is FACT when you want to play the game how you see fit.
#42 Sep 28 2005 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I've seen lots of /shouts in the Dunes from healerless, but otherwise complete parties, wanting to "hire" WHMs (or PLs).

People want to progress in the game. Seeing as the only benefit a helper gets from helping is goodwill, it's often very hard to get help for many things in the game.

If you're in a massive organized army of a LS (HNMLS tend to fall in this category too), you've probably never experienced this. But people in small LS which simply can't muster the manpower to do many higher level activities by themselves often need any help they can get - including hired help.

While I disapprove of "hiring" exp party members, I think everything else is fair game for mercenary work. If someone offers to help you for free, all the better. But if both the helper and the helpee are willing to pay/get paid, why not?

Last I checked, there were no strict rules that FFXI had to operate like a hippy we-love-you! commune.
#43REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 12:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Seeing as the original thread has 50 replies, and Mine ALONE now has 40 replies, I see that starting this new thread was in fact justified because of the heated responses.
#44REDACTED, Posted: Sep 28 2005 at 12:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thaaaank youuuu!
#45 Sep 28 2005 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, I have no problem with people leasing themselves out for help for missions, quests, and stuff. (If people are desperate enough to pay for such things, that's not my problem, although I help others for free) Charging to be in an exp party seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel though. Other things, the helper rarely get's any personal benefit from helping, but if you are in an exp party, you are reaping rewards for being in the group unless you're a PL.

Do what you want, but what goes around comes around. Don't be complaining when no one wants to help you for free when you need your AF, Limit Breaks etc which take a significant amount more manpower and time from others with little benefit to themselves than anything a 42 PLD can do for people. Also, don't complain about WHM's raising prices on Tele's, charging for Raises, etc, since the same justification can be used for that also.
#46 Sep 28 2005 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL.... I just cant believe your pty gave you the gil... I see your point with quest/missions/etc and asking for gil, for helping someone with something you didnt benefit from, but an exp party is a whole different matter, because your Gaining from it also. If you didnt wanna pty, then dont, go do something else. All you capitalized on, was other retarded people. 10k-20k isnt much... but, I would never pay anyone to be in a party, and if they asked, I would /blist them for being retarded.
#47 Sep 28 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Wait until he hits PLD 70... Bwhahahahaha!

And this was 6 months ago? You are 41 now, what lvl was your PLD then? o.O

Edited, Wed Sep 28 14:29:20 2005 by Spungy
#48 Sep 28 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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I don't have a problem with Mercenaries. I understand that for a particular NM, quest, key, whatever, sometimes people need the help. I think it's freaking ridiculous to charge an xp party though. You're getting xp. Regardless of whether you wanted to pty or not, you still are getting the benefits of it.

I agree that the FFXI community doesn't have to
SoymilkLatte wrote:
operate like a hippy we-love-you! commune.

However, imagine if you started a party and the Red Mage charged you for every Refresh or the White Mage charged you for every cure. That's basically what you did. Because we don't all have to love or like and help each other, mercs are perfectly accpetable when you want to do the additional stuff, like AF or NM's who drop special gear. But for xp, that's a group thing. With the exception of BST, we all need each other to xp.

As a side note, you should really have just replied in the other guy's thread instead of creating you own.
#49 Sep 28 2005 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
"Hajpoj" wrote:
I make my own damn decisions. I dare anyone to say anything about my own mind.


Your mind smells like rotting corpses.

It's not an argument about the ToS, it's an argument about MORALS.
Which you seem to have none.

You charged a party their own hard-earned gil, for things you would be doing anyway.

But you're correct in the fact that it isn't against the ToS.

I wouldn't have paid for your "Services" and I think the party that did pay you, made a poor choice.
#50 Sep 28 2005 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
Charging for anything other than an exp pty is of course as discussed by many others fine. But even if you didn't really want to exp charging people for something you benefit from anyway (regardless of whether you wanted to exp or not) is kinda rediculous. That's like charging somebody to help them get a coffer key that you yourself need anyway and then reaping a benefit even though you really didn't want to at that time. If you really didn't care about the exp and didn't want it...why didn't you just go out and die a couple times to lose it right after the party ended?
#51 Sep 28 2005 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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mecenaries imo is when you help out someone without gaining anything back, and therefor you ask for payment as a trade off of your time.

In an EXP PT is a situation where everyone gains. You spend your time and you get your EXP. It's not the best example for mecenaries.

You want to point out paying money for help is a fair trade but you just destroy your own point with that story. Sorry, it just shows how selfish you are in this case.
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