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#1 Apr 22 2014 at 8:30 PM Rating: Good
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So over:under on Gwen?

So dead.
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#3 Apr 22 2014 at 11:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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She's snapping, no doubt about it.
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#4 Apr 23 2014 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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She's snapping, no doubt about it.


This made me laugh Smiley: glare
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#5 Apr 30 2014 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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So let's do this. So let the first thing I say be to remind everyone that of all the characters out there, Spider-Man happens to be my absolute favorite and my opinion on the movie is most likely colored by this. I don't think it is, I think I'm being objective here, but there it is. All out in the open.

First off, classic costume. My inner and outer geek were pleased with this. It's not that I disliked the first movie's costume, but this is where my bias is. I prefer the original source.

Next, in the first ten minutes he's telling lame jokes to criminals. I absolutely loved that. Hi, my name is Spider-Man. You can call me Web-Head, you can call me Amazing, just don't call me late for dinner. Ya get it? "You're Spider-Man!"
"Costume gives it away."
His ringtone is the original 60s theme song, and not only that but he whistles it while dispatching the first group of thugs. I couldn't not giggle stupidly at that. He's ridiculously stupid, but it's exactly what you'd expect Spider-Man to say. In fact, most of the script was well done. I enjoyed all the character interactions.

I really feared Jamie Foxx for some reason. I don't even remember why, to be honest. I don't really remember him in bad movies. That's not to say he wasn't in bad movies, but just that they weren't bad enough for me to really internalize them. Either way, he did really well as the character he was playing. I believed he was a low-level nobody who people take advantage of. His descent to villainy worked, but a little forced near the end. He went from idolizing Spidy to despising him due to a misunderstanding. It could be chalked up to a misunderstanding in the middle of the movie, sure, but it was just too sudden for me. This is me just being picky, I won't deny that. Editless Edit: While I was writing I remembered a bit, and I take back that it was really forced. I guess we could chalk it up to his being basically tortured by Dr. Kafka while in Ravencroft Institute, but I'll leave the rest here instead of taking it out. I still don't think it was perfect, but it's workable. Better than how I was initially thinking it at the very least. Mostly whining about the necessity of movie compression


Also whoever played Harry Osborne. I forget his name, and can't be ***** to look it up while I write this. Initially I didn't like the way he looked. Something about it makes me want to punch him in the throat. But you know what? That's stupid of me. As Harry he did pretty well. Harry always looked pretty ridiculous, after all. So who am I to complain that his ridiculousness is wrong? But, but the whole Goblin thing? That didn't work for me. It makes no sense at all. Harry not liking Spider-Man makes sense, and figuring things out does as well, just that ... well, the gimmick he turns into; The method to get there doesn't make sense to me. Mostly geek rant. I mean, he used the same formula as Peter did, the venom of the spiders making steel webbing for OsCorp, and I realize that it requires Parker DNA to be effective but it's actually the Goblin Serum? Speaking of, why were these spiders just out and about in the first movie to begin with? It isn't like Norman Osborn didn't know Richard was using spiders in his experiments, he was standing next to Richard when he was explaining that spiders have healing factors! Granted, he doesn't really call himself the Green Goblin or anything, which begs the question of why the bombs are pumpkin shaped and orange ... And really, it only appears for a few minutes at the end of the movie. Really, Electro is the main villain of the movie. And don't get me wrong, the fight against Goblin worked really well. Like I said earlier, it's how you'd imagine Spider-Man would fight if the pages were animated. Moreso than the 90s cartoon, which was kind of ridiculous truth be told. The Electro fight was really good, too. Speaking of that, I don't even know why they'd show RoboRhino in the trailers and commercials. He's almost literally a non-issue and feels like it was more of an after-thought than an intigral part of the movie. It's explained and it fits, but he's meh at best. A couple of names and characters dropped for future use, or maybe not.

Now, I absolutely loved the action sequences. Unlike the first trilogy, and maybe even the first movie, but they really focus on Spider-Man's agility and coordination here. Lots of inhuman twisting and jumping, use of webbing. Dubstep Electro was giggle-worthy.

It doesn't matter if you know how the movie ends. Impossible not to know if you're even vaguely familiar with the characters. If you're not, it's pretty damn telegraphed. Regardless, it's still heart wrenching. Holy freakin' crap I felt like I didn't expect that. The hand was a bit hamfisted, pun intended on multiple levels. Could have done without that.

I think the biggest problem I have with these movies is that Peter just doesn't seem geeky or smart. He's kind of smart, but not really a genius. He's just kind of ... vaguely charmingly ackward. There's a plot point with the web shooters, and it's okay done and provides some laughs but, well, Peter isn't the one that solves the issue. OsCorp made the webbing (Speaking of, where is he getting it from now?), and a flaw is worked out by someone else.

They could have probably cut out a little of the unneccessary Gwen/Parker interaction in favor of some more action. Their scenes together dragged on a little too long in my opinion.

May was pretty good, but just kind of there. The same kind of problem as Goblin, really. They could have done more with that, and with Uncle Ben. I mean, Peter was hell bent on finding the killer, and as far as I remember didn't really find the guy in the first movie, and here there isn't even a mention. But, yannow, gotta fit things in two hours and such so stuffs gotta be omitted somewhere. I'm not saying it hurt the movie, but it sure as hell would have been nice to have some kind of reference. Was he caught? Killed? Escaped? He wasn't a named character in the movie (literally. He's "Cash Register Thief" in the end credits.) so it's not like we can just say he'll be another villain down the road, and if he is it'll be a massive asspull like Spider-Man 3's Sandman. Also, where the hell was Flash Thompson? He was great in the first movie, damnit. While we're at it, they really do need to get J.K. Simmons. They kind of mention Peter's job of selling Spider-Man pictures, but it's basically the equivalent to a Post-It note.

Overall, the problems with the movie are with my having ridiculously high standards for the source material. Ignoring those, I'd say about equal to Captain America 2, maybe a little lower. Will see again. Which is weird. I'm pretty sure we grew up in an era where sequels were things to dread, not look forward to, but here we are. Captain America 2 was good, Thor 2 was good, Iron Man 3 was good, Spider-Man 2 is good. Iron Man 2 was rushed, but that feels more like an anomaly as far as these sequels are concerned. I'm not worried about the Avengers 2. Well, there is Days of Future Past coming up next month. I ... I'm not looking forward to that. Not because it's a sequel, though. Just don't enjoy the franchise, even the comics.


Fast and dirty: You should see it.



Edited, Apr 30th 2014 8:35pm by lolgaxe
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#6 Apr 30 2014 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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How about a spoiler free, fast and flawed, "should we see it?"

Edited, Apr 30th 2014 8:33pm by IDrownFish
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#7 Apr 30 2014 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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I'm so tired.

Added your request.

Edited, Apr 30th 2014 8:35pm by lolgaxe
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#8 Apr 30 2014 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
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I think I'm going to go see this Saturday. And probably Xmen next month.
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#9 Apr 30 2014 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I'll be seeing this sometime this weekend. I don't have mystical powers that let me see movies days before they open...
#10 May 01 2014 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
I'm on the Saturday boat. Will be going to the comic book (Free comic book day) shop then to the movie, or the other way around, once I figure out show times on the big 3D screen I like to go watch movies on.
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#11 May 01 2014 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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I don't have mystical powers that let me see movies days before they open...
I used my powers of research and proximity to discover an early showing in Midtown.
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#12 May 02 2014 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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Relevant PA, if anyone was suddenly overcome by a desire to hurt themselves and buy the game of the movie.
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#13 May 02 2014 at 7:55 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I forgot one thing.

You can skip the end credits.

Really, do it. It's basically a commercial for X-Men.
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#14 May 03 2014 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I forgot one thing.

You can skip the end credits.

Really, do it. It's basically a commercial for X-Men.


Went and saw it this morning with my father. I'm a sucker for Spider-Man so I enjoyed it.
My father is usually really picky when it comes to these types of movies, usually hating that he just "lost 2 hours of his life" to a movie. He actually liked it as well, but he didn't understand the X-Men part during the creds. I told him it was just a plug for the new movie...if there was anything after that I have no idea as they blacked the screen to get people to leave so they could "clean" for the next showing.

I thought the part with Gwen's death was done very well. A few people in the theater gasped as it happened. I know my father kept glancing over at me, I had to assure him that it was part of Spidey's story after the movie.
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#15 May 03 2014 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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I enjoyed it. Given the trailers, I expected a lot more involvement with the other enemies shown throughout the movie. But it seems that the it was all just the end stuff. Speaking of the X-Men ad at the end... were those vials they were going to give them the spider-human venom from Oscorp? I wanted to say they were but didn't get a good enough glimpse of the vials (wasn't paying much attention).



No dumbasses this week at the theater (compared to when I saw Captain America 2). A handful of little kids. I heard some concerns from the parents' during the previews when one popped up as "Rated R" (was Seth's new comedy western). The kids were surprisingly quiet, last two movies I went to with a lot of kids (Lego Movie and Peabody and Sherman) they were noisy.

I usually enjoy the movie previews as much as I do the movies. Mostly because with my DVR I rarely watch TV spots and commercials for movies, and a lot of the time they are relatively new to me.
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#16 May 03 2014 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I enjoyed it. Given the trailers, I expected a lot more involvement with the other enemies shown throughout the movie. But it seems that the it was all just the end stuff. Speaking of the X-Men ad at the end... were those vials they were going to give them the spider-human venom from Oscorp? I wanted to say they were but didn't get a good enough glimpse of the vials (wasn't paying much attention).
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Couldn't be the Oscorp stuff. That was young Mistique, those vials wouldn't have existed yet.

Anyway, the movie was solid. I pretty much expected the thing with Gwen, the trailers make it fairly obvious, which is one reason why I hate trailers. I was a bit disappointed that Rhino was basically a throwaway scene, I would like to have seen more of that fight. I do like that this version of Spiderman is kind of an ***, it makes for more entertaining fights. Overall, I enjoyed it. I've seen much worse Spiderman movies.
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Ya... I guess I should have been thinking. But wasn't. (Really was just trying to figure out how they ended up putting it there, what the link was)

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#18 May 03 2014 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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I pretty much expected the thing with Gwen, the trailers make it fairly obvious, which is one reason why I hate trailers.


You must not be a reader of the comics? Smiley: tongue

I also agree with the Rhino, kept wondering when that scene was going to happen... but prior to, the other tech shown could allude to other villains to come if the keep making movies (Doc Oct arms [Scorpion tail would have been better imo], Vulture's Wings).
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#19 May 03 2014 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I pretty much expected the thing with Gwen, the trailers make it fairly obvious, which is one reason why I hate trailers.


You must not be a reader of the comics? Smiley: tongue


I own one thing that could be called a comic, and that's a copy of Watchmen. I enjoy the movies, but I could never get into the books.
#20 May 03 2014 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
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I did a little reading and the reason there's an X-Men clip is because Sony had to make a deal with 20th Century Fox to get Marc Webb to direct the movie, since he was still under contract with Fox for another movie. So it was literally a commercial.

re - Gwen Stacy: Even without knowing anything, it was telegraphed pretty heavily within the first twenty minutes of the movie. I know I was sweating bullets when they were talking about England.

re - End Credits: There's some designs that scroll across the screen while the names are showing up, notably Octo's arms and Vulture's wings, there's two other designs that show up. One looks kind of like a mask, which isn't all that specific, but the other looks kind of lion like which I'd say hints at Kraven the Hunter.
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#21 May 05 2014 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I pretty much expected the thing with Gwen, the trailers make it fairly obvious, which is one reason why I hate trailers.


You must not be a reader of the comics? Smiley: tongue


To be fair, it's not like the character not being killed off is unprecedented in Spider Man movie history.
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#22 May 07 2014 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
What I liked about ASM 2:

- Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man
- His relationship with Gwen & Gwen herself (when she wasn't trying to get killed)
- The Action Scenes
- Spidey's "banter".

What I didn't like about ASM 2:

- The "plot"

- The Green Goblin: I like the actor who played Harry, I did not like his "motivation", sparse use until the finale, & the very little actual fighting they did. I get that the spider venom turned Harry..."Gobliney". I did not get why injecting himself magically made the door open to the "Goblin" armor. Which wasn't actually "goblin" armor, but had pumpkin looking bombs anyways. I liked the look better than the original goblin's & it was better than Harry's in Spider-Man 3.... but the relationship was rushed in ASM 2. I stand by my opinion that if you cut Venom out of Spider-Man 3 it isn't a bad movie. Not as good as Spider-Man 2, but on par with the first one. As it stands, I'd say ASM2 is slightly better the Spider-Man 3, but only slightly.

- The Peter's parents "sub plot". I get that a lot of that was cut from the original, but what the hell was the purpose of his dad's secret subway lab? Just a place to upload a video too? How did he afford it?!!

- Norman Osbourne. Spidey's greatest nemesis, "dead" in 5 minutes. Without being a Goblin.

- Electro's origin. Jamie Foxx was fine with what he had to work with. But being electrocuted while failling into an electric eel tank gives you electric powers? As far as I am aware, there was no magic spider-venom in those tanks. I guess they had been experimented on like Peter's spiders so if you get bit you get powers? That's my guess since the plot didn't bother to explain it.

This was the Iron Man 2 of Sony's Spidey reboot. Cool action scenes but a ****** plot that only sets up the next movies.
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What I liked about ASM 2:

- Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man
- His relationship with Gwen & Gwen herself (when she wasn't trying to get killed)
- The Action Scenes
- Spidey's "banter".

What I didn't like about ASM 2:

- The "plot"

- The Green Goblin: I like the actor who played Harry, I did not like his "motivation", sparse use until the finale, & the very little actual fighting they did. I get that the spider venom turned Harry..."Gobliney". I did not get why injecting himself magically made the door open to the "Goblin" armor. Which wasn't actually "goblin" armor, but had pumpkin looking bombs anyways. I liked the look better than the original goblin's & it was better than Harry's in Spider-Man 3.... but the relationship was rushed in ASM 2. I stand by my opinion that if you cut Venom out of Spider-Man 3 it isn't a bad movie. Not as good as Spider-Man 2, but on par with the first one. As it stands, I'd say ASM2 is slightly better the Spider-Man 3, but only slightly.

- The Peter's parents "sub plot". I get that a lot of that was cut from the original, but what the hell was the purpose of his dad's secret subway lab? Just a place to upload a video too? How did he afford it?!!

- Norman Osbourne. Spidey's greatest nemesis, "dead" in 5 minutes. Without being a Goblin.

- Electro's origin. Jamie Foxx was fine with what he had to work with. But being electrocuted while failling into an electric eel tank gives you electric powers? As far as I am aware, there was no magic spider-venom in those tanks. I guess they had been experimented on like Peter's spiders so if you get bit you get powers? That's my guess since the plot didn't bother to explain it.

This was the Iron Man 2 of Sony's Spidey reboot. Cool action scenes but a sh*tty plot that only sets up the next movies.

I haven't seen the movie, but I was already thinking it was going to suffer from the same thing S3 suffered from...too many villains in 1 film.
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#24 May 08 2014 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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The eels in the tank had been genetically altered to produce more electricity than they normally would. One would assume that the act of them biting Max would transfer what ever virus they administered to the eels to do the genetic alterations. I think one of the video or audio recordings talk about them using viruses.

The electrocution was just there for show. The bites were likely the trigger.
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