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#27 Dec 15 2013 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I read the book something like 15 years ago. Near as I can recall, a goodly portion of this movie was not true to the book; or rather, the locations and events were and then extra stuff was added to pad the action quota. Which wasn't bad! I enjoyed the movie more than the first and I never thought I'd say it but I liked seeing Legolas in action again. The ending definitely leaves you on a cliff-hanger wanting more, but the anticipation is builds for the final movie is great; I think the third movie should be excellent.

Edited, Dec 15th 2013 12:25pm by LockeColeMA


Atm, I'm refusing to see the movie, because the trailer alone contained so much stuff that wasn't in the book that I just can't bring myself to do it. The first definitely stretched out a lot of the events (for obvious reasons), but the scenes that were not in the book were kept to a minimum - essentially just Radaghast and the council at Rivendell.


You have the general events: Beorn, Murkwood, spiders, elves, barrels, Laketown, hidden door, Smaug. It's the details that are different: New orc pursuer... or rather, the RIGHT one... dwarves wake up and get taken captive rather than being poisoned by spiders, Legaolas and new elf Tauriel, Tauriel and Kili kinda-romance, smuggling into Laketown, Bard is now a guerrilla fighter and smuggler, not a guard, Orcs arrive in Laketown, extended escape sequence from Erebor, Smaug the Golden apparently gets his name from Golden Giant Dwarf Statue, not the riches embedded in his belly... etc.
#28 Dec 16 2013 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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The trailer made it seem like Thorin grandstands in front of Thranduil about what their goal was, when in the book he does everything possible to keep it secret. That pained me.

IIRC, Thranduil didn't even know who Thorin was...
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#29 Dec 19 2013 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
That was a serious dissappointment. It didn't start off bad, maybe just a bit slow, but at the end I was glad it was over. If I wanted to experience a rollercoaster, I'ld go to Disneyland.

Might not be worth going to the cinema to see part three.
#30 Dec 22 2013 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
I enjoyed the movie, even having read the book a few times now. I like to think the added stuff is added for one reason: not everyone is going to read all the books. Lets face it, it is a commitment to do so (and I've only managed to read the hobbit twice, audio book once, and LotRs I audio booked and had to take a break half way through because I was getting bored with it..).

If you only watch just the movies, and you only know that in LorRs Bilbo is some old as **** Hobbit with a magic ring, that he got way back when he was still a young (i hobbit years) man that took him on some adventure...and now he is giving this ring to his heir (Frodo, his distant cousin, that was orphaned as a child, that he raised. Bilbo is like 80years older). This ring drives it's owner mad, unless it is within the power of it's creator. Frodo is set off on an epic quest to destroy this ring so Middle Earth will not fall to darkness.
That is the shibby of LotRs. In the movie stuff was cut because each book could have almost gotten 2 movies each imo if they added more...

So what of this old adventure that you hear about, that Bilbo went on? Enter The Hobbit.
Now from what I know, the Hobbit was written 1st and that was it. Good times. Publishers asked for more and he decided to do what he could and we got LotR...and notes that were turned into The Silmarillion (another story before The Hobbit) and a book I do not recall the name of that is after LotRs (not had time to read either yet).
Again if we just go with people who watch the movies, and the hobbit is one of 2 prequel and you do not mention anything of a Dark Lord, or maybe of an army being built... are we to just assume most of history is just know, as a viewer?

They make it flow, the story is still being told. If people are that upset about it, but still want to enjoy a "live action", go with the audio book. You get the exact story with many voices and it is true to the book. No eye candy, but your ears will like it.
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#31 Dec 25 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
Is there something up with the boards? A Christmas theme perhaps? (can't seem to post a completely harmless reply here?)

Bad content, but cannot figure out for the life of me what it is?

Whatever, I can agree with you Sandinmygum, but not entirely. Jackson made it all look ridiculous, fight scenes and all. (sure I had more, but the system just will not accept anything)

Edited, Dec 25th 2013 3:04pm by Zieveraar
#32 Dec 30 2013 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
Lets face it, it is a commitment to do so (and I've only managed to read the hobbit twice, audio book once, and LotRs I audio booked and had to take a break half way through because I was getting bored with it..).

I don't really buy this. The Hobbit is one book - not a long one. What gives me a little momentary twinge of regret in regards to the movie versus the book is simply that they are two very different things. The book is a sweet, humble story of a little lion-hearted hobbit. It is naively good. The movie is none of this.

Those that 'skip' the book and think they're getting the same story by watching three intensely action packed movies about the growth and discovery of a world destroying evil menace are sorely misled about Tolkien the author.

As an action packed adventure movie - I enjoyed The Desolation of Smaug. The dragon was not a disappointment, it was as big and pompous and scary as one could imagine. I was really concerned about this babe-elf, but I liked the direction they took her in befriending Kili. Also the actress, whoever she is, gave a very good she-elf performance. I think her character actually enhanced the Legolas character a bit.

The meet-up and capture in Mirkwood was disappointing. The spiders were sufficiently creepy, but their was no chasing after disappearing lights as the wood elves toyed with the dwarfs. Similarly, the barrel escape (one of my very favorite parts of the book) was changed up significantly - though it was a really fun scene as the graceful elves were chasing after the scary orcs who were all chasing after the bearded dwarfs bobbing down the river. Also Legolas's comment about Gimli (Gloin's then infant son) got an out-loud chuckle from me.

I liked Bolg, the orc that stood in for Azog. He was pretty cool. Also Azog and the orc story getting a bit more play time was interesting.

Beorn was a really enigmatic character in the book. I think him and his story were over-simplified.

Lastly, I'm a bit miffed that the movie seemed to try and soften Thorin's greed by giving it purpose.


Over-all is was really fun to watch - as P.Jackson's Middle-earth movies always are. I saw it in 3-D but the 3-D was underwhelming - added very little to the viewing.
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#33 Dec 30 2013 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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That holds true for the LOTR movies, too. Maybe not to the same extent, but the LOTR movies were very heavily character-driven. The books are very heavily not.
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#34 Dec 31 2013 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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I was really concerned about this babe-elf, but I liked the direction they took her in befriending Kili. Also the actress, whoever she is, gave a very good she-elf performance. I think her character actually enhanced the Legolas character a bit.


It took me awhile to figure out where I'd seen here before, the red hair was throwing me off, but that's Evangeline Lilly. She's best known for playing Kate on Lost.

As to the movie, I liked it a bit more than the first one. I think it's because I gave up on them being faithful to the book and just went with it. As a fantasy action movie, it's very well done, and pretty damn entertaining, but it's so different from the book in so many ways that it's not even worth comparing them. Though, I will agree that Beorn got the shaft, he's barely even in the movie.
#35 Jan 02 2014 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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As to the movie, I liked it a bit more than the first one. I think it's because I gave up on them being faithful to the book and just went with it. As a fantasy action movie, it's very well done, and pretty damn entertaining, but it's so different from the book in so many ways that it's not even worth comparing them. Though, I will agree that Beorn got the shaft, he's barely even in the movie.


This. As Elinda said, this isn't really "The Hobbit", but the story of a growing evil in the world wrapped around the events that occurred in The Hobbit. And as such, it works very well and is a good story. It's faithful to the broader set of works of Tolkien, if not the specific book itself. I also enjoyed it more than the first film. The first one just seemed like it was a series of "rush here, run into there, hide, run again, repeat". This film had a lot more elements to it, and flowed better IMO. I also liked how they handled Legolas and the elf chick (and his father too). One of the problems in the original book was that the treatment of the wood elves in The Hobbit was glaringly different than that of elves in his later works. He clearly hadn't finished defining them when he wrote the Hobbit and that presents a problem for the film. I think Jackson's modifications help address this, giving the elves motivations for their actions which were lacking in the original, while keeping things consistent with the later works. It works IMO.

The one thing that did bother me, however, was the whole drug out fight with Smaug inside the mountain. I get why they did it (needed a conflict to cap off the film and they knew they were breaking prior to the death of Smaug), but it struck me as not just silly but incredibly unlikely as well. For something completely made up and inserted into the story, it's unfortunate that they couldn't think of an action sequence better than that. Other than that bit though, I really enjoyed the film.
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