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#52 Oct 13 2011 at 11:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps Obito, the kid that gave Kakashi his sharingan. He would only have one eye left and that's all they've ever shown Tobi to have until he got his Rinnegan eye. The hairstyle is similar too.
#53 Oct 14 2011 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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It's definitely Mnightshamamalama-sama-kun.
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#54 Oct 14 2011 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
Orochimaru come back from the dead?

I don't think we've seen him appear with the rest of the zombies? Or I could be just seriously mistaken, most likely anyway.


#55 Oct 14 2011 at 10:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps Obito, the kid that gave Kakashi his sharingan. He would only have one eye left and that's all they've ever shown Tobi to have until he got his Rinnegan eye. The hairstyle is similar too.


And suddenly, the million and a half theories that this was the case have been revived.

Up until they flat-out said Tobi = Madara, everyone was assuming that Tobi was really Obito. And even after for a long time.
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#56 Oct 19 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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So in this latest chapter it's pretty much been confirmed he's not Obito, because Madara has likely already met/known this person.

When I first heard about that theory I always thought it was dumb. It made no sense outside of the eye thing. Obito was jut some random kid who Kakashi saw die. He had no reason to be innately special. He had no individual interested in reviving or protecting him. There's no reason for him to be anything other than a dead mook inserted for the purposes of Kakashi's backstory.
#57 Oct 19 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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So in this latest chapter it's pretty much been confirmed he's not Obito, because Madara has likely already met/known this person.

When I first heard about that theory I always thought it was dumb. It made no sense outside of the eye thing. Obito was jut some random kid who Kakashi saw die. He had no reason to be innately special. He had no individual interested in reviving or protecting him. There's no reason for him to be anything other than a dead mook inserted for the purposes of Kakashi's backstory.


It wasn't totally stupid. You only suggest it because we have reason to think he's dead. But let's be real, here. In the Naruto universe, someone you saw die still being alive is far from the weirdest thing that plot-no-jutsu has created.

Not to mention that we already saw, by the point you found out Tobi had a sharingan, resurrected corpses working for Pein.

Obito would have had one sharingan, and Tobi's mask only had one eye slot, suggesting he had only one eye. They looked similar enough (in the context of the Naruto universe) as well (largely because Tobi had the traits Uchihas had, which makes sense since he is an Uchiha).

Once it was established that he was Madara, there was really no reason to believe the theory. But it was far from absurd before that.
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#58 Oct 19 2011 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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You know what, it's silly to discuss this. There is no value in being right about something meaningless.

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#59 Oct 19 2011 at 3:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Reasons people suspected Madara/Tobi was Obito (I'm going to be using Tobi from now on to avoid confusion):

  • Tobi and Obito are near-anagrams. Both are parodies of the Japanese word 'tobitobi' which means 'scattered here and there; at intervals'.
  • Tobi before the reveal is similar in personality to Obito.
  • Obito died by having his right side crushed by a boulder. Up until the Tobi vs Konan fight, all we ever saw of Tobi was part of the right side of his face and his right Sharingan. It wouldn't be too weird for Naruto's plot for that to be reconstructed at some point.
  • Tobi and Kakashi's donor eye have similar powers (teleportation to another dimension, specifically)
  • Tobi and Obito have the same hair color and gender, and Obito would be full grown were he alive,
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#60 Oct 19 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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True, especially since I don't even follow the series anymore. I just get irritated seeing those little numbers next to the thread, so I clicked it. Smiley: lol
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#61 Oct 19 2011 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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It wouldn't surprise me if it's Orochimaru.
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#62 Oct 20 2011 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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So with this chapter, I guess that means that Pein/Pain was an advanced Uchiha all along?
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Nagato was a descendent of the Uzumaki clan. The author fixed this potential plot hole earlier by having Tobi say he gave Nagato the Rinnegan.
#64 Oct 22 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Reasons people suspected Madara/Tobi was Obito (I'm going to be using Tobi from now on to avoid confusion):


The Obito theory was a solid theory until the flashback of Tobidara vs the 4th Hokage. Kakashi was only ~16 at the time so there's no way Tobidara would have been that big.

Current theories are Madara's Brother, and some other guy that had like 3 panels so far.. Kagami or something?
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#65 Nov 25 2011 at 1:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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What did we accomplish in this week's chapter? Not half bad fight scene, heroic speech, mentioning something the villain doesn't know, evil gloating, villain proclaims self unstoppable, which as we know occurs right before his defeat.

What did we accomplish in this week's chapter of Bleach? Ichigo has a walkie-talkie.

Also, Necrobumping this thread. Because I'm tired of having nowhere to discuss Naruto, while Bleach gets some love. Even if it is just people going "I can't believe Kubo really just pulled that out of his ***.
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#66 Nov 25 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like it doesn't count as a necropost officially...yet. :D I'm a little curious how Itachi's going to handle Kabuto though.
#67 Nov 25 2011 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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Weird, it had the necropost tag on it when I first posted it, though it doesn't now.

Anywho, I think it's a little soon for the final Naruto v Tobi fight. I was expecting Sasuke to show up once more before that happened.

Though I guess they could always take down Tobi then have Sasuke be the final boss.
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#68 Nov 25 2011 at 7:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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#70 Nov 26 2011 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just hope the Tobi revelation isn't an asspull. We get enough of those from Bleach, and at least Naruto has been interesting for the last few chapters.

Also, One Piece shows how to really do a time skip power increase: By making the main cast overwhelming. And Fairy Tail does it logically by making the main cast weaker, as they lost time to practice their craft while everyone else continued. Both of which enjoyable in their own way.
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#71 Nov 26 2011 at 5:30 PM Rating: Excellent
Fairy Tail this week was a total marshmallow chapter, but it was significant in finally putting to rest the idea that Natsu is asexual or innocently oblivious and/or gay with Gray. Nope, het normal male with normal hormones.

Why on earth he hasn't jumped Lucy yet... besides the fact that its a shounen manga...

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#72 Nov 26 2011 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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BG(Souj) has the best theory for who tobi is. Sasuke Sarutobi. The thirds father. I'll copypasta some of it.

Sautobi Sasuke is of course based on the ninja from japanese folklore of the same name. That Sarutobi sasuke formed a group of 10 legendary ninja.
Hmmmm a group of 10 legendary powerful ninja... where could I have heard of that before?

Hmmmmmm 4th Hokage questioned who could know how to break the nine-tails seal and how he knew how to secretly infiltrate all of Konoha's defenses unnoticed. That is definitely information the father of a previous Hokage could not possibly ever get his hands on!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sasuke Sarutobi was considered a great ninja with a reputable name, yet Kabuto, who has Edo'd lesser ninja with lesser renown, did not Edo Tensai Sasuke Sarutobi. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


hmmm old eough to have been around to personally have known about Madara and old enough to still be alive in the naruto universe without any trickery.
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#73 Nov 26 2011 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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    I've got that bad feeling that Tobi is going to be either:
  • Madara's Soul/Spirit/Chi manifested into the real world so we literally have two Madaras. A physical and a spiritual.
  • Naruto's Father who's name for the life of me I can't remember's body combined with some of the 9 Tailed Fox's Soul/Spirit/Chi during the original sealing and resurrected itself.
  • Orochimaru, because we're already hip deep in resurrections. "But Tobi and Orochimaru were seen together so they can't be the same person!" Well, ninjas. Come on, this is about a guy whose storyline involved the part where he regularly jumps from one body to another. Who's to say he couldn't have had a clone, or a technique to cover that plot hole?


Edited, Nov 26th 2011 7:50pm by lolgaxe
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#74 Nov 26 2011 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
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    I've got that bad feeling that Tobi is going to be either:
  • Madara's Soul/Spirit/Chi manifested into the real world so we literally have two Madaras.
  • Naruto's Father who's name for the life of me I can't remember's body combined with some of the 9 Tailed Fox's Soul/Spirit/Chi during the original sealing and resurrected itself.
  • Orochimaru, because we're already hip deep in resurrections.


Option three is also my favourite at this point, after all, Orochimaru hasn't turned up yet and why would the author leave such a big character from the start of the series out of it now at the end?.

Granted, I probably missed something along the line which would explain that though.


Edited, Nov 27th 2011 1:51am by Zieveraar
#75 Nov 26 2011 at 9:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uh you guys realize Orochimaru is permanently sealed right?

Itachi's Susanoo drained Oro from Sasuke's body and sealed him within a permanent genjutsu. There's no way hes coming back on the same level that we're never seeing the 3rd, 4th or the other half of the 9tails again.

Kabuto is our Orochimaru replacement.

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4th or the other half of the 9tails again.


You just gave evidence for one of lolgaxe's theories.

Edited, Nov 26th 2011 11:02pm by IDrownFish
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