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#52 Oct 13 2011 at 11:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps Obito, the kid that gave Kakashi his sharingan. He would only have one eye left and that's all they've ever shown Tobi to have until he got his Rinnegan eye. The hairstyle is similar too.
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It's definitely Mnightshamamalama-sama-kun.
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#54 Oct 14 2011 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Orochimaru come back from the dead?

I don't think we've seen him appear with the rest of the zombies? Or I could be just seriously mistaken, most likely anyway.


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Perhaps Obito, the kid that gave Kakashi his sharingan. He would only have one eye left and that's all they've ever shown Tobi to have until he got his Rinnegan eye. The hairstyle is similar too.


And suddenly, the million and a half theories that this was the case have been revived.

Up until they flat-out said Tobi = Madara, everyone was assuming that Tobi was really Obito. And even after for a long time.
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#56 Oct 19 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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So in this latest chapter it's pretty much been confirmed he's not Obito, because Madara has likely already met/known this person.

When I first heard about that theory I always thought it was dumb. It made no sense outside of the eye thing. Obito was jut some random kid who Kakashi saw die. He had no reason to be innately special. He had no individual interested in reviving or protecting him. There's no reason for him to be anything other than a dead mook inserted for the purposes of Kakashi's backstory.
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So in this latest chapter it's pretty much been confirmed he's not Obito, because Madara has likely already met/known this person.

When I first heard about that theory I always thought it was dumb. It made no sense outside of the eye thing. Obito was jut some random kid who Kakashi saw die. He had no reason to be innately special. He had no individual interested in reviving or protecting him. There's no reason for him to be anything other than a dead mook inserted for the purposes of Kakashi's backstory.


It wasn't totally stupid. You only suggest it because we have reason to think he's dead. But let's be real, here. In the Naruto universe, someone you saw die still being alive is far from the weirdest thing that plot-no-jutsu has created.

Not to mention that we already saw, by the point you found out Tobi had a sharingan, resurrected corpses working for Pein.

Obito would have had one sharingan, and Tobi's mask only had one eye slot, suggesting he had only one eye. They looked similar enough (in the context of the Naruto universe) as well (largely because Tobi had the traits Uchihas had, which makes sense since he is an Uchiha).

Once it was established that he was Madara, there was really no reason to believe the theory. But it was far from absurd before that.
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You know what, it's silly to discuss this. There is no value in being right about something meaningless.

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Reasons people suspected Madara/Tobi was Obito (I'm going to be using Tobi from now on to avoid confusion):

  • Tobi and Obito are near-anagrams. Both are parodies of the Japanese word 'tobitobi' which means 'scattered here and there; at intervals'.
  • Tobi before the reveal is similar in personality to Obito.
  • Obito died by having his right side crushed by a boulder. Up until the Tobi vs Konan fight, all we ever saw of Tobi was part of the right side of his face and his right Sharingan. It wouldn't be too weird for Naruto's plot for that to be reconstructed at some point.
  • Tobi and Kakashi's donor eye have similar powers (teleportation to another dimension, specifically)
  • Tobi and Obito have the same hair color and gender, and Obito would be full grown were he alive,
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#60 Oct 19 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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True, especially since I don't even follow the series anymore. I just get irritated seeing those little numbers next to the thread, so I clicked it. Smiley: lol
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It wouldn't surprise me if it's Orochimaru.
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So with this chapter, I guess that means that Pein/Pain was an advanced Uchiha all along?
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Nagato was a descendent of the Uzumaki clan. The author fixed this potential plot hole earlier by having Tobi say he gave Nagato the Rinnegan.
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Reasons people suspected Madara/Tobi was Obito (I'm going to be using Tobi from now on to avoid confusion):


The Obito theory was a solid theory until the flashback of Tobidara vs the 4th Hokage. Kakashi was only ~16 at the time so there's no way Tobidara would have been that big.

Current theories are Madara's Brother, and some other guy that had like 3 panels so far.. Kagami or something?
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What did we accomplish in this week's chapter? Not half bad fight scene, heroic speech, mentioning something the villain doesn't know, evil gloating, villain proclaims self unstoppable, which as we know occurs right before his defeat.

What did we accomplish in this week's chapter of Bleach? Ichigo has a walkie-talkie.

Also, Necrobumping this thread. Because I'm tired of having nowhere to discuss Naruto, while Bleach gets some love. Even if it is just people going "I can't believe Kubo really just pulled that out of his ***.
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#66 Nov 25 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like it doesn't count as a necropost officially...yet. :D I'm a little curious how Itachi's going to handle Kabuto though.
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Weird, it had the necropost tag on it when I first posted it, though it doesn't now.

Anywho, I think it's a little soon for the final Naruto v Tobi fight. I was expecting Sasuke to show up once more before that happened.

Though I guess they could always take down Tobi then have Sasuke be the final boss.
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#70 Nov 26 2011 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just hope the Tobi revelation isn't an asspull. We get enough of those from Bleach, and at least Naruto has been interesting for the last few chapters.

Also, One Piece shows how to really do a time skip power increase: By making the main cast overwhelming. And Fairy Tail does it logically by making the main cast weaker, as they lost time to practice their craft while everyone else continued. Both of which enjoyable in their own way.
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Fairy Tail this week was a total marshmallow chapter, but it was significant in finally putting to rest the idea that Natsu is asexual or innocently oblivious and/or *** with Gray. Nope, het normal male with normal hormones.

Why on earth he hasn't jumped Lucy yet... besides the fact that its a shounen manga...

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BG(Souj) has the best theory for who tobi is. Sasuke Sarutobi. The thirds father. I'll copypasta some of it.

Sautobi Sasuke is of course based on the ninja from japanese folklore of the same name. That Sarutobi sasuke formed a group of 10 legendary ninja.
Hmmmm a group of 10 legendary powerful ninja... where could I have heard of that before?

Hmmmmmm 4th Hokage questioned who could know how to break the nine-tails seal and how he knew how to secretly infiltrate all of Konoha's defenses unnoticed. That is definitely information the father of a previous Hokage could not possibly ever get his hands on!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sasuke Sarutobi was considered a great ninja with a reputable name, yet Kabuto, who has Edo'd lesser ninja with lesser renown, did not Edo Tensai Sasuke Sarutobi. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


hmmm old eough to have been around to personally have known about Madara and old enough to still be alive in the naruto universe without any trickery.
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    I've got that bad feeling that Tobi is going to be either:
  • Madara's Soul/Spirit/Chi manifested into the real world so we literally have two Madaras. A physical and a spiritual.
  • Naruto's Father who's name for the life of me I can't remember's body combined with some of the 9 Tailed Fox's Soul/Spirit/Chi during the original sealing and resurrected itself.
  • Orochimaru, because we're already hip deep in resurrections. "But Tobi and Orochimaru were seen together so they can't be the same person!" Well, ninjas. Come on, this is about a guy whose storyline involved the part where he regularly jumps from one body to another. Who's to say he couldn't have had a clone, or a technique to cover that plot hole?


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    I've got that bad feeling that Tobi is going to be either:
  • Madara's Soul/Spirit/Chi manifested into the real world so we literally have two Madaras.
  • Naruto's Father who's name for the life of me I can't remember's body combined with some of the 9 Tailed Fox's Soul/Spirit/Chi during the original sealing and resurrected itself.
  • Orochimaru, because we're already hip deep in resurrections.


Option three is also my favourite at this point, after all, Orochimaru hasn't turned up yet and why would the author leave such a big character from the start of the series out of it now at the end?.

Granted, I probably missed something along the line which would explain that though.


Edited, Nov 27th 2011 1:51am by Zieveraar
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Uh you guys realize Orochimaru is permanently sealed right?

Itachi's Susanoo drained Oro from Sasuke's body and sealed him within a permanent genjutsu. There's no way hes coming back on the same level that we're never seeing the 3rd, 4th or the other half of the 9tails again.

Kabuto is our Orochimaru replacement.

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4th or the other half of the 9tails again.


You just gave evidence for one of lolgaxe's theories.

Edited, Nov 26th 2011 11:02pm by IDrownFish
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The 4th and the other half of the 9-tails are sealed within the Death God so there is no way they can be Tobi without trampling the established rules of said jutsu. Yeah, Kishi can do whatever he wants within the playground of his manga but it would make absolutely no sense.

Tobi being some element of Madara however is possible and wouldn't destroy the rules set down in the manga so far. The horcrux theory (Tobi is actually a piece of Madara that has gone rogue/seeks to be Madara) certainly holds some water as does the theory that Tobi is a Zetsu-style Madara (created by Madara to continue his plans until his predicted revival via the rinnegan jutsu) which would explain his wildly different personalities, the need to mask his appearance, the replacement arm and his close planning with Zetsu.
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Uh you guys realize Orochimaru is permanently sealed right?

Itachi's Susanoo drained Oro from Sasuke's body and sealed him within a permanent genjutsu. There's no way hes coming back on the same level that we're never seeing the 3rd, 4th or the other half of the 9tails again.

Kabuto is our Orochimaru replacement.



Aah, ok, I knew I was forgetting something!

Also, Orochimaru isn't one for hiding behind a mask for this long I suppose.
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I do miss him, though. Michael Jackson was always my favorite villain.
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The problem is rules are only good up to the last chapter. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a once established rule won't be bent or even broken to further a storyline. Especially when the writer starts running out of things he can do with his/her own established rules and has to start pushing those self containing boundaries to continue a series that has no ending in sight. It usually isn't a problem for short(er) series, but this isn't anything resembling short. It's the essence of bad writing, and it is what currently plagues Bleach.

Anyway, those were just bad writing scenarios I thought up while reading Captain America.
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No revelation, unfortunately. Minimal action, though Bee's rapping about boobs was amusing.
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Fairy Tail has another time skip. Smiley: dubious

Epic mangaka trolling. He's trying to outdo Kube the Trollmaster, now.
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Reverse trolling, even. Fairy Tail is using it as an excuse to depower the main cast, whereas everyone else uses it to power them up. I find that interesting in itself.

Also, Gai joins the fight. Always liked his (and Rock Lee's) fighting style, though it unfortunately also has the distinction of being the worst animated fight scene in anime history.
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Also, Gai joins the fight. Always liked his (and Rock Lee's) fighting style, though it unfortunately also has the distinction of being the worst animated fight scene in anime history.


I think you're forgetting about Naruto vs Pain.
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Feel like taking back all that credit you've been giving Fairy Tail Gaxe?
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They (potentially) took away the one interesting aspect and replaced it with one of the stupidest deus exes in existence. Smiley: bah

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With Erza's face I'd half expect a rejection of their offer, but even if that's the case they'll just spontaneously learn it during battle anyway.
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We still don't know what happened to Jellal. Last we saw was Erza getting told "Jellal was..." and looking shocked and angry, but they haven't said what it was that happened to him. Smiley: mad
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We still don't know what happened to Jellal. Last we saw was Erza getting told "Jellal was..." and looking shocked and angry, but they haven't said what it was that happened to him. Smiley: mad


Chapter 263 says nevermind.
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oh my god this is the best

http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=mashima+kubo#/d4cw6xj

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http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=mashima+kubo#/d4cw6xj

Edited, Dec 9th 2011 10:11pm by catwho


Even more relevant than the first time I saw it...
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SASUKE ENTERS THE BATTLEFIELD!

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So, is anyone keeping up with the anime? It has finally ended the filler again. I really enjoyed the first episodes of this season, particuarly the last few (6-9 of this season, something like that). I always thought Minato was a little calm for Naruto's dad (I would spoiler that, but... it is pretty obvious). His mum Kushina(sp?) was much more what I expected, I really enjoyed her screen time. I don't follow the manga as I tend to drift in and out of anime/manga phases, but I doubt we will see a lot more of her?

Here's hoping the anime will pick up the pace again, Shippuden had such promise (Hidan and Kakuzu arc being one of my all time favourites) but filler really killed it sometimes.
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His mum Kushina(sp?) was much more what I expected, I really enjoyed her screen time. I don't follow the manga as I tend to drift in and out of anime/manga phases, but I doubt we will see a lot more of her?


Yeah, they haven't appeared again in the manga, nor do I expect them to. The whole parents thing has essentially been resolved, and with (manga spoilers)Naruto making peace with the Kyuubi and them working together, it's really not likely.

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Here's hoping the anime will pick up the pace again, Shippuden had such promise (Hidan and Kakuzu arc being one of my all time favourites) but filler really killed it sometimes.


You should really read the manga. A lot of the content, none of the filler. The only drawback is that the "big" fights (Naruto vs Sasuke, Pain vs Naruto, etc.) tend to get more detail in the anime and be longer/more epic.

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BG(Souj) has the best theory for who tobi is. Sasuke Sarutobi. The thirds father. I'll copypasta some of it.

Sautobi Sasuke is of course based on the ninja from japanese folklore of the same name. That Sarutobi sasuke formed a group of 10 legendary ninja.
Hmmmm a group of 10 legendary powerful ninja... where could I have heard of that before?

Hmmmmmm 4th Hokage questioned who could know how to break the nine-tails seal and how he knew how to secretly infiltrate all of Konoha's defenses unnoticed. That is definitely information the father of a previous Hokage could not possibly ever get his hands on!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sasuke Sarutobi was considered a great ninja with a reputable name, yet Kabuto, who has Edo'd lesser ninja with lesser renown, did not Edo Tensai Sasuke Sarutobi. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


hmmm old eough to have been around to personally have known about Madara and old enough to still be alive in the naruto universe without any trickery.


holy ****... that actually makes a fair amount of sense... The only real problem, where he got his sharingan in the first place, is solved by the fact that he's prone to taking and replacing peoples' eyes... Though, he would also be a lot older than his unmasked appearances and non-gray hair would lead people to believe, so I think there'd probably still be some hijinkery going on there. Still, this is probably the best and most logical theory I've heard, so there's no way in **** kishimoto will use it.

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Here's hoping the anime will pick up the pace again, Shippuden had such promise (Hidan and Kakuzu arc being one of my all time favourites) but filler really killed it sometimes.


You should really read the manga. A lot of the content, none of the filler. The only drawback is that the "big" fights (Naruto vs Sasuke, Pain vs Naruto, etc.) tend to get more detail in the anime and be longer/more epic.

Edited, Feb 11th 2012 10:27pm by IDrownFish

The animated fight scenes are the only real reason I enjoy the anime. Though, to be fair, a lot of the filler in shippuuden was done fairly well by using it to expand on **** like the capture of the three and six-tails. This latest filler arc was utter, blatant **** though.
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