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#27 Feb 29 2016 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Is the show actually called "The Internet Ruined My Life"? Is this 2002 or something?

My wife, she done left me for a feller on the AOL Instant Messenger...


Ok. This works on so many levels. Smiley: laugh
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#28 Feb 29 2016 at 8:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, I just remembered that 20/20 report on how Everquest was killing our children!
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#29 Feb 29 2016 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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someproteinguy wrote:
Nothing makes your current car feel old like going and looking at new ones. Things seem to change so much in a few short years; all sorts of fancy new stuff.


Seems as though the car manufacturers have figured out that new/better electronic whistles and bells are actually quite cheap to put into the cars, but add a lot of appeal. I recently spent a few days driving my goddaughter's car due to an "incident" involving a U-haul truck. She has basically a cheap economy sedan (like $20kish new IIRC). What I noticed is that while the pretty display and controls look neat, and there are certainly some features there that my car doesn't have (blutooth functionality is really limited in my car, no backup display, monocolor display, stock radio that clearly wasn't audio tested for the interior of the car, etc), this is often at the expense of the more expensive physical features of a car. She didn't have multi-zone heat/AC, for example. Which I didn't think would bother me much until I had to shift from driving a car where I can just adjust the temperature to a given number (in Fahrenheit or Celsius even!) to one where I was constantly adjusting the dials based on external temperature changes. Also noticed that her car, despite being many years newer, seemed to rattle a lot. Moving parts just felt less solid. I felt constant engine vibration through the floorboards. And that's not counting the more obvious things like interior space, horsepower differences, suspension differences, etc. Then again, at least her car had working steering, so that's a plus.

Dunno. For now, I'll stick with my older, but just darn awesomely built car, even if it doesn't have the new fancy electronic gizmos. And when I do buy a new car, I'll make sure to be willing to spend more on the construction and physical capabilities, and assume that the relatively less expensive new/fancy electronics will come along with it. I guess what I'm getting at is that while including this stuff is nice, it's also something that the car manufacturers are still like a decade behind on (go look at some of the mods people do with electronics in their cars some time). And none of that really makes up for the base quality of the car itself IMO. But many of the manufacturers are basically putting a junk car out there, gussying it up with fancy gizmos, and calling it a day. Not that the cheap cars are any *less* capable than they were without the gizmos, but they're making those things more of the selling point of the car. Which I can't fault them for, but it's something you want to look out for, especially if you intend to own the car for some time.
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#30 Mar 01 2016 at 1:55 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Nothing makes your current car feel old like going and looking at new ones. Things seem to change so much in a few short years; all sorts of fancy new stuff.


Seems as though the car manufacturers have figured out that new/better electronic whistles and bells are actually quite cheap to put into the cars, but add a lot of appeal. I recently spent a few days driving my goddaughter's car due to an "incident" involving a U-haul truck. She has basically a cheap economy sedan (like $20kish new IIRC). What I noticed is that while the pretty display and controls look neat, and there are certainly some features there that my car doesn't have (blutooth functionality is really limited in my car, no backup display, monocolor display, stock radio that clearly wasn't audio tested for the interior of the car, etc), this is often at the expense of the more expensive physical features of a car. She didn't have multi-zone heat/AC, for example. Which I didn't think would bother me much until I had to shift from driving a car where I can just adjust the temperature to a given number (in Fahrenheit or Celsius even!) to one where I was constantly adjusting the dials based on external temperature changes. Also noticed that her car, despite being many years newer, seemed to rattle a lot. Moving parts just felt less solid. I felt constant engine vibration through the floorboards. And that's not counting the more obvious things like interior space, horsepower differences, suspension differences, etc. Then again, at least her car had working steering, so that's a plus.

Dunno. For now, I'll stick with my older, but just darn awesomely built car, even if it doesn't have the new fancy electronic gizmos. And when I do buy a new car, I'll make sure to be willing to spend more on the construction and physical capabilities, and assume that the relatively less expensive new/fancy electronics will come along with it. I guess what I'm getting at is that while including this stuff is nice, it's also something that the car manufacturers are still like a decade behind on (go look at some of the mods people do with electronics in their cars some time). And none of that really makes up for the base quality of the car itself IMO. But many of the manufacturers are basically putting a junk car out there, gussying it up with fancy gizmos, and calling it a day. Not that the cheap cars are any *less* capable than they were without the gizmos, but they're making those things more of the selling point of the car. Which I can't fault them for, but it's something you want to look out for, especially if you intend to own the car for some time.


Which vehicle?
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#31 Mar 01 2016 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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#32 Mar 01 2016 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Hey, I just remembered that 20/20 report on how Everquest was killing our children!
A game of Dungeons & Dragons will immediately send you to hell.
Naw. Nowadays D&D makes you a rapist.
#33 Mar 01 2016 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, but if there's any girls there, I wanna DO them!
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#34 Mar 01 2016 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Nothing makes your current car feel old like going and looking at new ones. Things seem to change so much in a few short years; all sorts of fancy new stuff.


Seems as though the car manufacturers have figured out that new/better electronic whistles and bells are actually quite cheap to put into the cars, but add a lot of appeal. I recently spent a few days driving my goddaughter's car due to an "incident" involving a U-haul truck. She has basically a cheap economy sedan (like $20kish new IIRC). What I noticed is that while the pretty display and controls look neat, and there are certainly some features there that my car doesn't have (blutooth functionality is really limited in my car, no backup display, monocolor display, stock radio that clearly wasn't audio tested for the interior of the car, etc), this is often at the expense of the more expensive physical features of a car. She didn't have multi-zone heat/AC, for example. Which I didn't think would bother me much until I had to shift from driving a car where I can just adjust the temperature to a given number (in Fahrenheit or Celsius even!) to one where I was constantly adjusting the dials based on external temperature changes. Also noticed that her car, despite being many years newer, seemed to rattle a lot. Moving parts just felt less solid. I felt constant engine vibration through the floorboards. And that's not counting the more obvious things like interior space, horsepower differences, suspension differences, etc. Then again, at least her car had working steering, so that's a plus.

Dunno. For now, I'll stick with my older, but just darn awesomely built car, even if it doesn't have the new fancy electronic gizmos. And when I do buy a new car, I'll make sure to be willing to spend more on the construction and physical capabilities, and assume that the relatively less expensive new/fancy electronics will come along with it. I guess what I'm getting at is that while including this stuff is nice, it's also something that the car manufacturers are still like a decade behind on (go look at some of the mods people do with electronics in their cars some time). And none of that really makes up for the base quality of the car itself IMO. But many of the manufacturers are basically putting a junk car out there, gussying it up with fancy gizmos, and calling it a day. Not that the cheap cars are any *less* capable than they were without the gizmos, but they're making those things more of the selling point of the car. Which I can't fault them for, but it's something you want to look out for, especially if you intend to own the car for some time.
That's one of my big fears as well: how good some of these electronic parts really are. Any model that's more than a couple of years old (or at least from a major redesign) has data out there on the reliability of various parts. Still lots of these new features haven't had a chance to age though, so who knows what things will be like 7-8 years down the road when we're looking to resell perhaps? or hand the car off to the kids to drive?

Maybe we'd be less concerned it it was one of these cases where we were planning on leasing, or quickly replacing the car, but yeah, if you're looking at keeping the thing for 10+ years the flashy little bells and whistles are equally exciting and worrisome at the same time. Thankfully we haven't had any trouble with the various flashy electronic bits in our cars previously (Toyota is usually a solid brand more often than not though), so I'm willing to roll the dice a little. As I tell the guy trying to sell me the extended warranty on the stuff: I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you can make a quality product, but if it gives me too much trouble I'll be going elsewhere next time I have to buy a new automobile.
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#35 Mar 01 2016 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Timelordwho wrote:
Which vehicle?


Mine? Or hers? I drive a 2009 Pontiac G8. She drives a 2014 (I think?) Ford Focus. So huge difference in terms of electronic gizmos, but equally huge difference (in the other direction) in terms of overall quality and performance. But I wasn't even just talking about horsepower and size. Just the overall "feel" of the car's physical components was vastly different. Again, that's not to say that they necessarily sacrificed quality to put in the gizmos, since a cheap car is a cheap car, and a cheap car with gizmos is better than a cheap car without. I'm more commenting on how such gizmos are used as selling points today, often making folks miss that at the end of the day, they're still buying a "cheap" car.

And yeah. There's also the issue of how well the electronics age. Even setting aside failures, that stuff tends to improve much faster than you're likely to want to buy new cars.
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