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#52 Sep 23 2015 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Something, something, chopped liver Smiley: mad


Look! I replied to you. You matter. You really really matter. Smiley: yippee
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#53 Sep 23 2015 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Support SSM because hating *** people because of your religion is wrong.
Any religion worth anything will tell you that hating people is wrong.


Wow did you miss the point.

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Support socialized medicine/food/housing/etc because making poor people suffer because you believe in free markets is wrong.
If you value money above people, you are wrong.


And did it again.

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What sort of evil monster are you, anyway?


Liberal methodology is working as intended I see.

I seriously hope you were being sarcastic.
I think you missed the point. Hell, I work with the type people you are trying to defend and although they are decent people in many ways the hate they show for teh gehys is fucking palpable. They all deny they hate anybody (of course) but actions and words show where the spirit is.

Sadly.


They're all clearly in the camp that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ/America/freedom boogeyman, too...but golly, they're not racist either!Smiley: rolleyes
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#54 Sep 23 2015 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I found six someones with zero effort and restricting my search to only Sept 17th. But I suppose we can play No True Scotsman with your definition of "buzzing" if that's what you need to save face.


I'm reasonably certain you could find six someone's talking about the lunar landing hoax too. That doesn't mean that this resonates broadly with any larger group of people though. My point is that "conservatives" (meaning, you know, the bulk of people who identify themselves as such) are mostly unaware that this is a thing, and upon hearing about it, kinda shrug about it, since it's basically par for the course with Obama. In the broad spectrum of things we are really concerned about, this is barely a blip.

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OMG! Rush Limbaugh spent 30 seconds talking about this on one show

Be honest, now. Do you have some sort of real learning disability? You think because I linked one segment that means no other segments exist?


Again. Irrelevant. I'm conservative. Most of my family is conservative. Most of the people I work with are conservative (or relatively moderate leaning if they aren't). One of my co-workers is what I would even label as "rabidly conservative". As in, reads various conservative sites all the time, and will wave his arms around talking about this conspiracy thing, or that theory, or whatever the latest thing is (most of which I, and most other conservatives, kinda roll our eyes over). I have conversations about a wide variety of topics with my conservative friends, family, and co-workers. Want to know exactly how many times this subject has come up in the last week? Zero. Not even fringe conservative guy has brought it up.

It's just not a big deal to conservatives. At best, it's a "yup, same old same old" response, and then you move on. My point, which you don't seem to grasp, is that on a lot of these "look at how crazy conservatives are" topics, us actual conservatives are basically only hearing about it when our liberal friends make a point to tell us how crazy we're being. And then we kinda look at them like "Um... where'd you hear this?". You liberals spend far far more time on these topics than we do. We might make note of something. Even comment on it. Then we move on. But you guys are like dogs with a freaking bone.

Just like you're doing here. It's apparently far more important for you to prove to me that conservatives really really think this is a huge big deal than it is for you to listen to the actual conservative in front of you saying "no, it's really not". I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here. That I should agree with you that conservatives are all bent out of shape over this, when I have literally not heard a single conservative I know personally even mention it? Pundits and talk radio folks have to look for something to talk about. They ramble on about all sorts of things, most of which their audience only marginally cares about. This is one of those things.

I guess I just don't get why it's such a personal mission for you to prove something to me. What is it? You accuse me of "no true scotsman", but it seems like you're doing the same thing. Is your argument that I must not be a true conservative because I'm not seeing this as a huge thing to get bent out of shape over? Cause that's kinda silly. I can only speak for my personal experience, and in that experience, this is not a big deal. Might it be for some "other people, somewhere else"? Sure. But I don't know them, and neither do you. But somehow, you're insisting that my response to a few mentions about this from a few pundits and editorial writers is atypical of conservative response, and to prove this, you've got what? A hypothetical conservative audience out there, lapping this up, and getting outraged about it? You don't know any of them personally, and they don't post here, but you're just sure they must exist. And they must be the "true conservatives" because why? They fit your narrative?

Lol. How about you stick to speaking about your own opinions, and not try to imagine what others must be so you can argue against them. Cause that might be more productive.


Oddly enough, just a couple hours ago, I got an excited phone call from a friend of mine. His daughter (my goddaughter) is attending UMD, and she's going to see the Pope in DC. He was quite excited about this, and how great of an experience it would be for her, etc, etc, etc. Amazingly, not once did he mention that horrible president Obama inviting a bunch of LGBT folks to ruin the Pope's visit. Again. Not really an issue. Annoying? Sure. Something to spend more than a second just adding it to the pile of crappy things liberals do? Not remotely.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2015 6:51pm by gbaji
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#55 Sep 23 2015 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
One of my co-workers is what I would even label as "rabidly conservative". As in, reads various conservative sites all the time, and will wave his arms around talking about this conspiracy thing, or that theory, or whatever the latest thing is (most of which I, and most other conservatives, kinda roll our eyes over).
The way you rolled you eyes over the Birth Certificate issue?

Or Benghazi?


It's like you think the rest of us have no memory. It's eerie.


Edited, Sep 23rd 2015 7:56pm by Bijou
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I'm reasonably certain you could find six someone's talking about the lunar landing hoax too

Probably. And if they were major conservative commentators, Fox News, major conservative blog sites and other conservative media outlets then it would be meaningful.
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Again. Irrelevant. I'm conservative.

And I'm liberal, right? Weren't you just going on some dull screed about how liberals are all like this and they all really believe that and this is how they work and this is what they believe?

But now the opinions on multiple major conservative news/opinion outlets don't count because Gbaji is conservative but he's never heard of this Smiley: laugh
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Your "side" lives on this kind of stuff Joph.

Nuh uh. I was just talking to my side and we all agreed that no one had ever heard of this. So now we know it's not true.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2015 9:02pm by Jophiel
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#57 Sep 23 2015 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I think you missed the point. Hell, I work with the type people you are trying to defend and although they are decent people in many ways the hate they show for teh gehys is fucking palpable. They all deny they hate anybody (of course) but actions and words show where the spirit is.


Those actions and words being opposition to SSM, right? Which you have decided can only be the result of hating gay people, right?

My point is that you've been taught to oppose the "other side" by associating their position with "hate". Thus, it doesn't matter what their actual position is, or why they hold it, anyone who is on their side "hates". And you don't want to be labeled as a hater, so you pick the side you're on instead. It's not about making an informed rational decision about the issue in front of you, but picking a "side", and now being more or less force to support that side on any given action it takes as long as it's defined as being "in opposition to hate". But that's the problem. You don't support a position on an issue, you oppose the other sides position. And not because of the action itself, but because you've been taught to almost reflexively associate that position with something horrible.

Which is precisely what I was talking about. It's remarkable how often I'll get into a discussion about some social issue, and will make an argument for my position, only for the argument itself to be ignored, and receive some version of "you only want to do this because you hate <insert identity group here>". It's shocking, really. Even if I'm able to struggle through and get the other guy to acknowledge that my argument actually does have merit, he'll still reject it because "that's not really the reason you want to do this, you just made that argument up in order to hide your <racism|bigotry|homophobia|whatever>". That one always gets me. So my argument is good, but you think that it's just a smokescreen/excuse for being evil? Wow. That makes zero sense at all.

But that's what happens when people adopt political positions out of emotion rather than reason.
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Jophiel wrote:
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I'm reasonably certain you could find six someone's talking about the lunar landing hoax too

Probably. And if they were major conservative commentators, Fox News, major conservative blog sites and other conservative media outlets then it would be meaningful.


If they got more than a mention and then moved on, you might have a point. Um... You don't have a point.

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I'm a better barometer for what rank and file conservatives care about than the imaginary ones in your head. I actually consume such media (not as avidly as some, of course). I just think that a liberal telling me what conservatives think is important is really funny. You do get that these news/talk sites are going to mention this, just because it is something that happened, right? That doesn't mean that it's a "big deal". Get back to me when throngs of conservative protesters show up or something. Because that might be a better indication of how their audience weighs that information.
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gbaji wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
I think you missed the point. Hell, I work with the type people you are trying to defend and although they are decent people in many ways the hate they show for teh gehys is fucking palpable. They all deny they hate anybody (of course) but actions and words show where the spirit is.


Those actions and words being opposition to SSM, right? Which you have decided can only be the result of hating *** people, right?
Words being "scum", "pervert", "child molester" and "vile" when referring to teh gehys. Suggesting that any children be kept away from them. A strong dislike of interacting with them in the workplace.

That's hate.

Has nothing to do with my "ideological perspective".

It's hate.
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gbaji wrote:
I'm a better barometer for what rank and file conservatives care about than the imaginary ones in your head.

Not really better than the people whose paychecks depend on keeping an audience of them though.

Look, I get that you have a vested interest in pretending that no one REALLY cares about all these embarrassing things. I'm just not sure if you're pretending to be ignorant or if you've actually managed to cloister your brain somehow to shut out everything humiliating around you. I guess it doesn't matter much since your ignorance, self-imposed or otherwise, doesn't really hurt me any.
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#61 Sep 23 2015 at 9:49 PM Rating: Good
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Support SSM because hating *** people because of your religion is wrong.
A shekel says that if the religion in question said polygamy was okay, women's consent was a courtesy and not a requirement, putting gays infidels to death was your duty, shrimp and lobster were detestable abominations, and shaving your beard was a sin they'd change their tunes.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2015 11:54pm by lolgaxe
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#62 Sep 24 2015 at 12:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I assume all you Ameh'cuns are now trading in your dirty VWs for popetastic Fiat 500s now?

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#63 Sep 24 2015 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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#64 Sep 24 2015 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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Drive myself? Like a peasant?
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Scandal! Little girl gets close to Pope and hands him a card! People claim she couldn't have drawn heart-warming picture herself! Little girl was a plant in league with her activist father!

Dun dun DUHNNNNN!!!!
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#66 Sep 24 2015 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Reports from unassociated sources say the little girl was angrily passive aggressive during questioning, insisting it was a picture the whole time and not a bomb.
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I heard that she just took a picture out of a book and put it in a card and now Obama and the director for the Metropolitan Museum of the Arts are all humiliated for having complimented it.

True story.
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The Golden Rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development.
*Republicans in Congress start standing and cheering*
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...This conviction has led me, from the beginning of my ministry, to advocate at different levels for the global abolition of the death penalty.

lol popetrolled
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#69 Sep 24 2015 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder just how frustrated Minister Mike "I carried out the death penalty sixteen times more than any other state governor" Huckabee is right now.
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I'm not reading the whole thread because I'm very busy and important, but I enjoy a pope who's not a total hypocrite. At least he practices what he preaches, seemingly. We obviously don't agree on many issues, but I appreciate his consistency.

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#72 Sep 24 2015 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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Reports from unassociated sources say the little girl was angrily passive aggressive during questioning, insisting it was a picture the whole time and not a bomb.
Was it a picture of a clock?


Edited, Sep 24th 2015 7:00pm by Bijou
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It was apparently a big laugh that the Pope has a forward team of roving child interceptors.
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Wow, Timelord, you're being really tasteless here. This kind of thing isn't clever, it isn't 'edgy' and it isn't funny. Grow up, please.

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Ugly's here too, you know.
I'm Canadian, so irrelevant.
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