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#827 Feb 17 2016 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
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I'm inclined to agree with the general direction Alma is heading, but it's a pretty cringe-worthy video. It's mostly just buzzwords with some loosely attached metaphor. It seems more like the kind of thing conservatives would show each other as an example of how racial disparities are an entirely hollow argument and everything is dandy and whites fully earned their gap.

At one point it shows white racers passing a baton representing wealth from one generation to another slowly increasing in size before the black racers have even begun running. The idea it's superficially touching on is correct, that past historical wealth disparities perpetuate generationally even if everything else was made equal, but it's just an empty and nonsensical representation. Hows does holding an increasingly larger baton translate to better running?

Overall it acquaints viewers with the terminology behind racial disparity arguments with none of the substance.
#828 Feb 18 2016 at 1:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm inclined to agree with the general direction Alma is heading, but it's a pretty cringe-worthy video. It's mostly just buzzwords with some loosely attached metaphor. It seems more like the kind of thing conservatives would show each other as an example of how racial disparities are an entirely hollow argument and everything is dandy and whites fully earned their gap.

Gbaji posted the same political cartoon about a minimum wage ladder like three times in two days. I'd guess Alma's video is right about at his level Smiley: laugh
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#829 Feb 18 2016 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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I stopped watching it at "standardized tests." I get it that non-whites have a harder time as a whole, but I really feel the video could have done a better job at portraying that realistically. I half expected the next hurtle for the black racers to be something like eczema. Also, the white racers running with the giant batons representing money is a terrible analogy. Wouldn't that weigh them down, instead?
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#830 Feb 18 2016 at 6:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Many if not most standardized tests are weighted toward the majority culture - not just in the US, everywhere. It's a well documented problem in using them to assess intelligence, for example.

I didn't watch the video.
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#831 Feb 18 2016 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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You think you're too good for Kuwoobie's video, eh? Is that what you think?

It's alright, Kuwoobie. I'll pretend to have watched your video; it was great.
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#832 Feb 18 2016 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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The idea it's superficially touching on is correct, that past historical wealth disparities perpetuate generationally even if everything else was made equal,
Well last election cycle we were informed how people with money did it all on their own with absolutely no influence whatsoever so that can't be true.
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#834 Feb 18 2016 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Many if not most standardized tests are weighted toward the majority culture - not just in the US, everywhere. It's a well documented problem in using them to assess intelligence, for example.
Makes one wonder how we even assess something like dolphin or crow intelligence when we have enough difficulties with people. So much seems to boil down to "didn't think like we thought they should think."
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#835 Feb 18 2016 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, with dolphins and crows we generally only test problem solving, so the culture-specific questions don't really apply. It's still pretty humbling to watch a crow solve a problem I'm not sure I could figure out.
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#836 Feb 18 2016 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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A crow would probably be a better choice than a good ninety percent of the people in this cycle. Not the dolphin though. They're rapists, so probably only better than half the field.
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#837 Feb 18 2016 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, with dolphins and crows we generally only test problem solving, so the culture-specific questions don't really apply. It's still pretty humbling to watch a crow solve a problem I'm not sure I could figure out.
And have fun doing it. Smiley: nod

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#838 Feb 18 2016 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not the dolphin though. They're rapists, so probably only better than half the field.
That's exactly the kind of blatant stereotyping that'll keep us from ever having a dolphin President.

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#839 Feb 18 2016 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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You only want a dolphin president because you've been bought by the lobbyists for Lisa Frank Trapper Keepers!
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#840 Feb 18 2016 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also something about owning stock in off-shore fish farms if we're doing full disclosure, but that still shouldn't distract us from this case of overt speciesism.
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#841 Feb 18 2016 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
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All this talk about dolphins, and no one mentioned the baby dolphin in Argentina...People are pricks!

ETA: Not you guys in particular, I was referring to the people in Argentina that were messing with the baby dolphin Smiley: tongue

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#842 Feb 18 2016 at 3:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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#843 Feb 18 2016 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do they have laws against tampering with marine mammals there? Because people getting arresting for posting stuff on facebook and twitter makes for amusing afternoon reading.
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#844 Feb 18 2016 at 4:43 PM Rating: Default
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I'm out of Internet, but on the phone. I'll just say that I don't fully agree with the video. It is exaggerated, but the point being is that there isn't just one major issue, but a number of smaller issues that when aggregated, causes a major problem.
#845 Feb 18 2016 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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You think you're too good for Kuwoobie's video, eh? Is that what you think?

It's alright, Kuwoobie. I'll pretend to have watched your video; it was great.


I didn't post the video. Alma did.
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I'm out of Internet, but on the phone. I'll just say that I don't fully agree with the video. It is exaggerated, but the point being is that there isn't just one major issue, but a number of smaller issues that when aggregated, causes a major problem.

What are you, a fucking park ranger now?
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Maybe?


Edited, Feb 18th 2016 10:10pm by Allegory
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CHICAGO -- A judge in Cook County Circuit Court will hear testimony Friday in a lawsuit filed by an Illinois voter that alleges Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz should not be allowed to run for president.

Lawrence Joyce, an Illinois voter who has objected to Cruz's placement on the Illinois primary ballot next month, will have his case heard in the Circuit Court of Cook County in Chicago. Joyce's previous objection, made to the state's Board of Elections, was dismissed on February 1. He appealed the decision and was granted a hearing for Friday before Judge Maureen Ward Kirby.
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The Illinois man said he was hesitant to file the lawsuit out of concern that getting involved in such a high profile case could be detrimental to his own law practice.

"I tried to talk myself out of it and was unable to do so," Joyce said. "It's plain as day that Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen of the United States."

Not that it'll get anywhere since Joyce will have to prove standing.
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#849 Feb 19 2016 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah okay, it didn't work on the black guy but it's totally going to work on the white one.
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Kenya, Canada... all one and the same.

There is a legitimately different question here. Obama's was based on the false belief that he was not born in the US. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone which, at the time, was considered "US soil" for citizenship purposes. Cruz was indisputably born in Canada, but to a US citizen mother. So the Cruz question is whether being born in a different country to a citizen parent still qualifies you as a "natural born citizen" under the Constitution. Traditionally it's been assumed that the answer is "yes" but it's never actually been addressed by the court.

I assume that, if it ever did come to trial, the answer would be "yes"; being born to a citizen parent qualifies you for citizenship at birth which would seem the definition of "natural born citizen" but I suppose someone could argue that the Constitution intended you to be born on US soil. The bigger problem with the lawsuit is what the Birthers encountered: Almost no one actually has standing to sue in this situation aside from perhaps another candidate.
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#851 Feb 19 2016 at 8:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's interesting that no one brought up the same issue for Obama: wherever he was born, his mother was a U.S. citizen as an adult. Amazing, really; you'd almost think all of the "Kenya" assertions were some sort of signal that could be heard and understood only by, say, canines.
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