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#52 Apr 08 2015 at 6:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does he just refuse to look at the giant menu board? Smiley: laugh
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#53 Apr 08 2015 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Does he just refuse to look at the giant menu board? Smiley: laugh


He did, but he didn't care what he ate, just wanted something different each time. So I just suggested he let the die decide for him.
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At JimmieJohns I always just order the Gargantuan.Smiley: drool
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Eh, I'd rather say "Sausage and mushroom pizza" than walk down a row of toppings with the guy on the other side staring at me like a deer in the headlights at each topping station. "You... want cheese on this?"

More equivalently, I'll go to Jimmy John's and say "Gimme a #4" ten times out of ten instead of walking some 'sandwich artist' at Subway through how to make a turkey sub.


This. 100,000 times this. If you have a menu board with menu options on it, I should not have to do anything more than say "I'll take <menu option>" and you should know how to make that menu option for me without any further questions required. If I want to customize the order for some reason and you allow that, that's great. But far too many sub shops seem to assume that every customer wants to customize every order and will walk you through every single possible thing that could go on the sandwich and ask if you want it. And what's frustrating is that when I tell them "put whatever comes on the sandwich", they honestly seem to be confused. Like they can't imagine why someone would just want them to make the sandwich on the menu board. This is doubly silly when those places have like 30 different sandwiches on the freaking board. How many variations do you really need, and how picky do people have to be not to find a single thing on that board that they like without requiring massive modification?

For me it's that while I may really like the Italian sub, I don't actually know off the top of my head what all the ingredients inside it are. And I shouldn't need to. That's the job of the guy who decides what comes in the Italian sub at <insert sub shop here>. I'll order it. If I like it. I'll order it some other time too. If I don't, I'll try something different. And, quite honestly, if I can't find a single default menu item on your board that I like without modification, I'm either a ridiculously picky eater, or the problem is with the food, not the ingredient list. Letting me toss my own random assortment of ingredients inside some bread is far more likely to result in a substandard sandwich (cause I'm not a flavor and ingredient expert, right?) than just taking an item off the menu and trying it.

This is why I think the concept of Which Wich is ridiculous. There are people who are professionally employed to come up with ingredient combinations for food items. Which includes sandwiches. They're professionals at this. I'm not. You are not. You're not actually making a better sandwich because they let you pick all the different items in the sandwich. You're probably making a pretty terrible sandwich, in fact. But I suppose there's some kind of psychological bias that'll make customers think their garbage sandwiches taste like the best thing since sliced bread with ingredients inside, or something. And what's really sad is that Which Wich charges a ridiculous amount of money to give their customers the privilege of taking the place of the professional who'd otherwise create good tasting sandwich recipes for them (their sandwiches are about 50% more expensive than those at other shops). Yeah. Silly.


It's a pet peeve of mine. Smiley: nod
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You're probably making a pretty terrible sandwich, in fact.

Well, maybe YOU are. I can manage lunch meat, cheese and bread as well as the next guy. I just prefer not to when I'm at a restaurant.
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I've come to realize that the reason why certain chain sandwich places taste better than homemade, is the Heinz mayo. It's hard finding Heinz mayo sold in anything other than small packets from a deli. Restaurants seem to be able to get it in bulk, but grocery stores don't carry bottles/jars of the stuff.

And it seems to taste very different than Hellman's or something else. Makes a sandwich taste much different. I'm not sure why Heinz isn't on the shelves in the US (at least, not the Eastern US, I haven't been to stores in the Western).
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#58 Apr 09 2015 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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They're professionals at this. I'm not. You are not.
Just so we're clear, of all the things that you're not a professional at, it's the guy behind the sneeze guard at Subway that you take a step back to and just trust their, as it were, expertise?
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They're professionals at this. I'm not. You are not.
Just so we're clear, of all the things that you're not a professional at, it's the guy behind the sneeze guard at Subway that you take a step back to and just trust their, as it were, expertise?


Just as much as I trust the guy who works the assembly line at Ford to design my car (which is not at all). You do get that the guy working behind the counter doesn't decide what goes in the sandwich, right? He didn't come up with the ingredient combination for any of the subs. He just assembles them. He's not qualified to determine what combination of meats, cheeses, and condiments go together best. Neither am I. Neither are you (unless you spent some time at a culinary academy or something). The guys back in corporate headquarters whose job is to decide what goes into each sandwich *are*. And they're going to do a much better job determining what flavors work best together. That's part of what the cost for the sandwich is paying for, so it's silly to toss that away out of the belief that you can come up with a better sandwich.


And yeah Joph. I can put some meat and cheese and bread together as well as the next guy. I can also cook a number of dishes at home. Amazingly though, when I go out to eat I don't insist that the chef make his pasta sauce just like I make mine, or season the chicken like I do mine. There's a reason for that.
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And they're going to do a much better job determining what flavors work best together. That's part of what the cost for the sandwich is paying for, so it's silly to toss that away out of the belief that you can come up with a better sandwich.


I can make a sandwich I would prefer, even using the ****** ingredients found in a subway. Sorry. If a focus testing group of my peers doesn't agree, I don't give a ****. I still prefer my sandwich, and that's all that matters here.
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And they're going to do a much better job determining what flavors work best together. That's part of what the cost for the sandwich is paying for, so it's silly to toss that away out of the belief that you can come up with a better sandwich.


I can make a sandwich I would prefer, even using the ****** ingredients found in a subway. Sorry. If a focus testing group of my peers doesn't agree, I don't give a ****. I still prefer my sandwich, and that's all that matters here.


Some of us like to try new things. You never know if you might like it more than the old thing. Kinda can't do that unless you order off a menu and see what their version of a turkey and swiss, or ham and cheese, or corned beef tastes like. Again, you might find that you really like some combination of ingredients on a sandwich that you might never have thought to put together on your own. And you'll almost certainly have more success finding new good tasting sandwiches by trying one that someone else who knows something about how flavors work together devised than one constructed by you just picking stuff off a list and semi-randomly putting them together. Hey. It's possible your jumble of random meats and cheeses might be the next greatest sandwich in the universe and be listed among the classics. But probably not.
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You realize that subways entire business model is that you choose your toppings with a set base right? That is the design, and the appeal, there is no "proper corporate designed sandwich". There are other sandwhich shops where you just order a menu. It's like you're going to a Jewish Deli and complaining that they won't put ham on your sandwich... Smiley: cool

Edited, Apr 9th 2015 4:33pm by Xsarus
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#65 Apr 09 2015 at 3:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Amazingly though, when I go out to eat I don't insist that the chef make his pasta sauce just like I make mine, or season the chicken like I do mine. There's a reason for that.

It's a fast food sandwich. There's no "chef", it's a 17 year old who needs gas money slapping cold cuts on bread.

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You realize that subways entire business model is that you choose your toppings with a set base right?

I realize it, I just don't care for it and thus don't go there. I only mentioned it because Chipolte has the same model and someone directly asked about that chain.

Edited, Apr 9th 2015 4:50pm by Jophiel
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You realize that subways entire business model is that you choose your toppings with a set base right? That is the design, and the appeal, there is no "proper corporate designed sandwich". There are other sandwhich shops where you just order a menu.


Every Subway I've ever been to has a menu that you can order off of. And sometimes, if I say "I'd like a 9" number 7", they just make the sandwich, meaning that there is somewhere a "standard" set of ingredients that they use to make each sandwich. Which means that someone back at corporate headquarters at some point in the past decided what combination of ingredients in which amounts make up each sandwich that goes on the menu board.

The problem is that there is a trend to letrequire the customer customize the sandwiches as they want. So sometimes, when I order a number 7, I get a series of questions back asking me if I want or don't want every possible ingredient that might come on a number 7. Which is annoying at heck. If I wanted to design the sandwich, I'd just do that myself. I want them to make me their version of whatever a number 7 is. But when I say something like "put whatever comes on it", they get confused. Which is even more annoying.

It's this trend that is a peeve. I think it's a dumb business model. It's merely annoying how Subway does it (both because it's inconsistent from one store to the next *and* in that I'm never quite sure if they're going down the ingredient list for the sandwich I ordered and verifying whether I want each item or are effectively having me create my own sandwich from scratch). But Which Wich goes all the way out and basically requires you to build your own sandwich. And charges you through the nose for the privilege. Well, they have these different pieces of paper you fill out, that have different broad types of sandwiches on them, but then ask you to fill in bubbles next to each ingredient in a list, which basically means that the paper you pick and the type you fill out doesn't actually matter at all. It's just flavor I guess.


Again, I have no issue if a customer wants to make substitutions or even if the shop has a single "make your own sandwich" selection and charges you a set amount to make whatever sandwich you want. But I do have an issue with a shop that has a board with menu selections on it, but then acts as though I must want to change every single item on the sandwich. No. I ordered a number 12. Just make it and let me eat it. I don't want to answer 15 questions about what you should put inside.

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Hey. It's possible your jumble of random meats and cheeses might be the next greatest sandwich in the universe and be listed among the classics. But probably not.


Yeah, I am completely divorced from the culinary history of the world and I have to make all taste combinations entirely from scratch, same as everyone else not in the Subway boardroom.
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Jophiel wrote:
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Amazingly though, when I go out to eat I don't insist that the chef make his pasta sauce just like I make mine, or season the chicken like I do mine. There's a reason for that.

It's a fast food sandwich. There's no "chef", it's a 17 year old who needs gas money slapping cold cuts on bread.


All the more reason for him to be following a recipe created by someone who actually knows what they're doing. Again, the guy operating a station in the car assembly line didn't design the part, nor develop the procedure for installing the part. Someone else did. You wouldn't expect to buy a car and stand there while the guy asks "Do you want the airbag here, or over here? How about a steering wheel? Want one of those?". Silly, right? That's kinda how I feel about the guy assembling my sandwich asking me if I want each ingredient. Just make the damn sandwich the way it's supposed to be made. There's zero reason to complicate the process. If I want a custom change, I'll tell you.
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Yeah, I am completely divorced from the culinary history of the world and I have to make all taste combinations entirely from scratch, same as everyone else not in the Subway boardroom.


I'm assuming it's a test kitchen and not a boardroom. Cause that would be strange. I mean, maybe they have executives sitting around munching on cold cuts and deciding which ones they like the most, but I'm going to assume that they hire chefs to design their sandwiches and then put them on their menus in their stores. You know, like every other restaurant and fast food chain does.
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Eh, I'd rather say "Sausage and mushroom pizza" than walk down a row of toppings with the guy on the other side staring at me like a deer in the headlights at each topping station. "You... want cheese on this?"

More equivalently, I'll go to Jimmy John's and say "Gimme a #4" ten times out of ten instead of walking some 'sandwich artist' at Subway through how to make a turkey sub.

Edited, Apr 8th 2015 7:07pm by Jophiel


Just tell them to put everything on it.
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I've actually tried that and got a blank stare and they still needed me to walk them through the whole thing. Granted, it's been years so maybe they're smarter these days. I don't feel especially compelled to find out though.

I'm amused that Gbaji has a whole manifesto about this. My reason is that I just find the process annoying and more time intensive than I care for given the food.

Edit: Typo I was too lazy to fix on tablet


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I actually enjoy Subway's custom-built subs. I'll put all sorts of toppings on them and even make a damn salad out of the thing. I only go once a month usually, so it's not like I'm going to keep banana peppers and black olives around at home to make em myself.

If I just want to pick something off a menu, then burger joints it is.
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For the record, if one orders a Subway with "whatever comes on it" you'll get the meat the cheese and....lettuce. Some sandwiches don't even come with the lettuce (meatball, etc).

If you don't want to custom make your own sandwich, don't go to Subway. re: gbaji's rant about "awesome recipies decided by corporate"...corporate's awesome recipie re: Subway is "let the customer decide". It's called a "business model".
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I'm amused that Gbaji has a whole manifesto about this.
I'm amused that the guy that goes out of his way to tell everyone how much more qualified he is than professionals on various topics is now expounding how a minimum wage bologna jockey shouldn't be questioned. Consistency and what not.
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I'm amused that the guy that goes out of his way to tell everyone how much more qualified he is than professionals on various topics

Well, to be fair, it's by virtue of "knowing a guy" not actual experience. Perhaps he knows no sandwich artists. Nexa worked at Subway, so by Gbaji logic not only am I an expert in this topic, but Subway workers are likely to go on to advanced degrees, high level jobs in higher ed admin, and marry alarmingly handsome men they meet on the interwebs. So buck up, Subway workers. It gets better!
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I just like the opportunity for local teenage girls to handle my meat and veggies. Smiley: sly
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