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#1477 Aug 04 2015 at 3:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think it varies by state, but most are probably 60-90 days before the general election.

See, if I were considering running for President I would have already hired someone who knows the answer to that.
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#1478 Aug 04 2015 at 3:13 PM Rating: Default
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You are correct. I did some research and found it. He essentially has a range of 5-7 months. Plenty of time for Hillary to implode. Is that enough time for Carla in a field of 17 GOP candidates? Probably not. However we're talking about Joe "It's a big f'ing deal" Biden and B-San.

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#1479 Aug 04 2015 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Joe's already run a couple of times and did not do well. Six months is probably not enough.

Someone expressed it as, "He's seems like a nice guy, but I'm gonna vote for someone else."

Basically voters seem to put him firmly in the friend zone.
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#1480 Aug 04 2015 at 3:56 PM Rating: Default
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Joe's already run a couple of times and did not do well. Six months is probably not enough.

Someone expressed it as, "He's seems like a nice guy, but I'm gonna vote for someone else."

Basically voters seem to put him firmly in the friend zone.
He ran against who? I'm not claiming that Biden is a great front runner or he (of all people) would be running. I'm claiming that he is the default established candidate when compared to the rest of the field if Hillary were to implode. Even if she were to implode, he probably wouldn't win because as I said, I don't see the entire DEM party "giving" the nomination to B-San. It would be an all out melee, similar to the GOP side. Point being, B-San is not the Democratic back up plan, so this cycle would definitely be a "better late than never" scenario. If there were other strong candidates running, i.e. Warren, then you would have a point.
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He has a range of five to seven months to wait for someone else's well funded campaign to implode enough to run, and THEN get the resources together to get on the ballots?

Welp... ok then. Smiley: dubious Also, he doesn't have five months when there's filing deadlines in November.

Anyway, there's no real question on whether or not late starts are a problem, it's just history:
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As recently as two weeks ago, the Gingrich campaign was apparently unable to name 40 New Hampshire supporters of his presidential campaign.

Candidates needed to file their slates of 20 delegates to the National Convention, along with 20 alternates, with the Secretary of State by November 18. The Gingrich campaign filed a partial slate of 14 delegates and 13 alternates, leaving 13 slots vacant. Among the 27 names Gingrich listed are three members of his staff.
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No doubt Gingrich would be able to identify 40 committed supporters this week, in the wake of his endorsement by the New Hampshire Union Leader and riding a wave of interest in his candidacy. But the campaign's failure to do so just nine days prior to the paper's endorsement is an indicator of the extent to which the campaign is starting from scratch - and could signal a lack of basic organization.
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In Illinois, Santorum will be ineligible to compete for 10 of the state's 54 delegates when voters head to the polls on March 20. Voters in Illinois do not simply pick who they want to nominate. Instead, they directly elect delegates, and each primary ballot will contain a list of potential delegates alongside the presidential candidate they support. Presidential candidates were required to collect 600 signatures in each of Illinois's 18 congressional districts by January 7 in order to register a full slate of delegates. In four congressional districts, Santorum failed to file any signatures.
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Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign failed to file a full slate of convention delegate candidates for Pennsylvania's April 22 primary.

This despite the possibility the primary proves critical and despite Clinton owning the full-throated support of Gov. Rendell, state Democratic Party leadership, Mayor Nutter and, presumably, the organizational skill all that entails.
[...]It appears Clinton came up 10 or 11 candidates short across a number of congressional districts, including two in Philadelphia.

That's close to 10 percent of the 103 delegates to be decided by voters.

Clinton's issues came from sinking all her resources into the early states expecting to knock Obama out early. Santorum & Gingrich's problems came from... waiting for the Romney campaign to implode.


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Gawker published Trump's phone number. So Trump changed his voicemail message to a campaign ad for the Gawker readers who decided to call it.

If there's a bunch of idiots for Trump to outwit, Gawker would be them.
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#1483 Aug 04 2015 at 4:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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That was a crafty move, I have to admit. I'm glad he's in it for the entertainment value, never mind that he's sucking up all the air in the room on the GOP side.
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#1484 Aug 04 2015 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
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He has a range of five to seven months to wait for someone else's well funded campaign to implode enough to run, and THEN get the resources together to get on the ballots?
The likelihood of her "well funded campaign" to implode is not likely, hence why he is not running. He knows that he would lose and end his political career on a low note as opposed to a VP of a subjectively "successful" administration. If Hillary were to truly implode in this weak field, the only person left would be Bernie Sanders. Everyone knows that the Democrats are behaving "GOP" like by "giving" the nomination to Hillary because "it's her turn" and "she deserves it". If you think for a second Bernie Sanders would just glide into the nomination without others jumping in this weak field, you're in denial.

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Clinton's issues came from sinking all her resources into the early states expecting to knock Obama out early.
Which only proves my point that the early states are overrated and one could come in after and get the win.

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Santorum & Gingrich's problems came from... waiting for the Romney campaign to implode.
Gingrich is not a good example as he was able to revive his campaign during his debate performance and win South Carolina, only proving the point that the average person is fickle and don't follow policies. Really don't feel like researching Santorum, but in any case that field was stronger than the current DEM field. You had your wackos, but you also had established candidates.

Your only counter would be is if Hillary were out of the picture, someone of the 4 remaining candidates would clear the field and no one else would try to take them on.
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Which only proves my point that the early states are overrated and one could come in after and get the win.

Uh, no. Clinton's issue was that she DIDN'T knock Obama out by Super Tuesday. He essentially tied her in elected delegates and then cleaned up in the caucuses afterward. Had Clinton had a commanding lead by Feb 6th, it would have been a much different story.
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Gingrich is not a good example as he was able to revive his campaign during his debate performance and win South Carolina

That has nothing remotely to do with what I quoted.
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#1486 Aug 04 2015 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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That was a crafty move, I have to admit. I'm glad he's in it for the entertainment value, never mind that he's sucking up all the air in the room on the GOP side.


I see it as one of the features.
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#1487 Aug 04 2015 at 6:33 PM Rating: Default
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Uh, no. Clinton's issue was that she DIDN'T knock Obama out by Super Tuesday. He essentially tied her in elected delegates and then cleaned up in the caucuses afterward. Had Clinton had a commanding lead by Feb 6th, it would have been a much different story.
Essentially tied, yet she lost at the start. Her not winning in SC and Iowa had nothing to do with her losing Super Tuesday. Again, people are over emphasizing the power of those states. Senator Obama won over the public with his personality, something that HRC still suffers from. HRC supporters jumped shipped, which is why she is being handed the nomination now.

All of this is irrelevant when you're talking about one of the longest and closest primaries with HRC having the popular vote depending on how it was counted. Again, this is a weak field. There is no "Senator Obama".

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That has nothing remotely to do with what I quoted.
Exactly. At the end of the day, it comes down to actual votes. It only takes one scenario to spark a fire for support for a candidate. If George Pataki were to save a baby from a burning building, he would jump in the polls even though that has nothing to do with what he supports or stands for. This is reality. You don't ignore the logistics, but when you're only competition is B-San, you go for it. You would be foolish not to.

Furthermore, Sanders support is all hype. Most, if not all of his support are Warren supporters, which means if she were to jump in the race, his support would essentially go away. Nobody is saying anything negative about Sanders, so much so that the GOP is supporting him. The same group of people who criticized the POTUS for working with communist Cuba, supports a communist candidate. If it were to come down to him as the nominee, he will be attacked full force.

I don't care what poll you might see, Sanders is not going to beat Bush or Walker. There is no way the DEM party will let the GOP walk away with the presidency. If HRC were to completely fall off, I assure you the support would not be for any of the 4 remaining candidates.
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Jophiel wrote:
Uh, no. Clinton's issue was that she DIDN'T knock Obama out by Super Tuesday. He essentially tied her in elected delegates and then cleaned up in the caucuses afterward. Had Clinton had a commanding lead by Feb 6th, it would have been a much different story.
Essentially tied, yet she lost at the start. Her not winning in SC and Iowa had nothing to do with her losing Super Tuesday.

Super Tuesday was effectively the end of the early stage of the campaign, not SC or Iowa.

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That has nothing remotely to do with what I quoted.
Exactly. At the end of the day, it comes down to actual votes.

Votes you can't use if you don't have a full slate of delegates or aren't on the ballot? Brilliant.

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#1489 Aug 04 2015 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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Jeez, Jophiel. Learn to quote, you n00b.Smiley: rolleyes
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#1490 Aug 04 2015 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow. I just found an index card with my itinerary for the Boson Asylum meet-up. When was that, '06?
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Shit, you're not still at the hotel waiting for us, are you?
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#1492 Aug 04 2015 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Shit, you're not still at the hotel waiting for us, are you?

Smiley: laugh I remember that first night, I tried calling DSD after all the bars closed down by 2am(??) and getting yelled at.
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#1493 Aug 05 2015 at 3:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
I think it varies by state, but most are probably 60-90 days before the general election.

See, if I were considering running for President I would have already hired someone who knows the answer to that.


You aren't running? I suppose this means you don't need a secretary of offence.
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#1494 Aug 05 2015 at 4:51 AM Rating: Default
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Question: If HRC were to fall out of the race for whatever reason early next year, are you suggesting that one of the 4 remaining candidates would clear the field with no real opposition?

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Super Tuesday was effectively the end of the early stage of the campaign, not SC or Iowa.

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Votes you can't use if you don't have a full slate of delegates or aren't on the ballot? Brilliant.

You're referring to an undisclosed amount of time that varies to support your argument. If an individual is voting for you, then the assumption is that you're on the ballot. Does it take 6 months to gather delegates if the only competition is Sanders?

#1495 Aug 05 2015 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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Must be exceptionally boring at Joph's office lately.
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#1496 Aug 05 2015 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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You know the cycle is boring when even Fox News is trying to pump up the Democratic candidates.
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Question: If HRC were to fall out of the race for whatever reason early next year, are you suggesting that one of the 4 remaining candidates would clear the field with no real opposition?

Are there four remaining candidates? I only know of Sanders and O"Malley and O'Malley is polling at something like 1%. Oh, wait, what's his face from Virginia is running. Webb. So Webb with 1% and O'Malley with 1%.

Yes, if Clinton was to be eaten by a tiger in January, Sanders would have a huge advantage given that he's been ramping up his campaign with all the (unexpected) support he's been seeing since entering.
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Does it take 6 months to gather delegates if the only competition is Sanders?

That's like asking if you can race your Geo Metro across country faster if the Ferrari crashes and your only competition left is a Mustang. Driving against the Mustang doesn't make your Metro move any faster, the problem is that you need an upgraded, better car.

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You know, we could probably get a forum regular to the RNC debates if a poll were published that included them but not trump in the top 10. Would be pretty easy with the margin of error being what it is.

You sure you don't want to run, Samira?
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My research shows that if you get your hair cooked in a deep fryer while filming a safety video about cleaning said fryer you've got a pretty good shot at the candidacy.
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#1500 Aug 05 2015 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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You know, we could probably get a forum regular to the RNC debates if a poll were published that included them but not trump in the top 10. Would be pretty easy with the margin of error being what it is.

You sure you don't want to run, Samira?



I'd rather run as a Democrat, out-crazying the likes of Trump and hopefully drawing the full ire of the pack. Kavekkk, want to be my campaign manager? We can make a big scandal out of your non-citizen status.
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#1501 Aug 05 2015 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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I can do about 15 minutes of leg work for you here in New York. Provided, of course, that there's a Cabinet position in it for me.

Something I don't have to show up for, preferably, like HUD maybe. It worked for Cuomo.

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