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#1 Nov 03 2014 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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Brittany Maynard a 30-something that made the news a few months back for her decision to move to Oregon where she could legally and lethally medicate herself, did just that on Saturday.

So the debate is back on for physician assisted suicide.

Meanwhile we (the taxpayers) are making retribution to 1000's of women who were forced, by the state, into sterilization.

Who gets to pick life or death - the individual or the society?
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#2 Nov 03 2014 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Who gets to pick life or death - the individual or the society?

Both. Ultimately, though, it's only the society that cares about the sanctioning of suicide. It benefits societal social control in many ways to stigmatize suicide in all it's forms. The wealth of the upper classes rests upon the lower classes tolerating misery.
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#3 Nov 03 2014 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
So the debate is back on for physician assisted suicide.
Well for the rest of you at least; you poor unfortunate souls. Smiley: disappointed

Yeah, other than rare cases like this one you basically have a bunch of elderly people deciding they don't want to linger on for another month or two, stress out relatives and run up stupidly high hospital bills. TBH the whole thing has worked pretty well over the last few years. We'll just file this alongside mail-in voting as things we chuckle about while wondering why the rest of you all think it's such a big deal. Smiley: wink
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#4 Nov 03 2014 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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We should be looking for more reasons to reduce population, not trying to prevent it.
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#5 Nov 03 2014 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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This has been going on for centuries. Compassionate doctors often prescribe pain meds with very specific instructions to either the patient or their spouse, or both: "Now, don't take more than two of these at a time, could be fatal. Three would certainly be fatal, especially if mixed with alcohol." Smiley: wink
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#6 Nov 03 2014 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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Netherlands seems to be rethinking their policy, or a least some are questioning the ethical success of allowing euthanasia for the mentally ill.

STORY

I hadn't really ever thought about it in the context of 'class'. Makes sense though. Gotta keep the worker bees subdued....but alive.
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#7 Nov 03 2014 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Explain lack of universal healthcare then...
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#8 Nov 03 2014 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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Explain lack of universal healthcare then...

err, Smiley: um
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Elinda wrote:
Netherlands seems to be rethinking their policy, or a least some are questioning the ethical success of allowing euthanasia for the mentally ill.
Huh, they let just about everyone kill themselves over there. I chuckled at the 20,000 Americans choose gun-assisted suicide bit. I guess we have our own preferred method. Smiley: rolleyes
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#10 Nov 03 2014 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Explain lack of universal healthcare then

Control is more important than healthy workers. Healthcare being a privilege rather than a right puts control in the hands of the upper class, as does stigmatizing suicide. The more control poor people have over their own destiny, the freer a society is. Lack of access to basic infrastructure for everyone, housing, food, healthcare, mobility, is exploitative of the poor and working class. If you want to find the people in any society least concerned with personal freedom, find the people who are against public housing, transportation, healthcare or food programs.
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#11 Nov 03 2014 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, they're quite concerned with personal freedom. Just not your personal freedom.
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No, they're quite concerned with personal freedom. Just not your personal freedom.

Just not the British children.
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#13 Nov 04 2014 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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No, they're quite concerned with personal freedom. Just not your personal freedom.

Just not the British children.


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Smasharoo wrote:
Explain lack of universal healthcare then

Control is more important than healthy workers. Healthcare being a privilege rather than a right puts control in the hands of the upper class, as does stigmatizing suicide. The more control poor people have over their own destiny, the freer a society is. Lack of access to basic infrastructure for everyone, housing, food, healthcare, mobility, is exploitative of the poor and working class. If you want to find the people in any society least concerned with personal freedom, find the people who are against public housing, transportation, healthcare or food programs.


You have very interesting definitions of "control" and "freedom".
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#15 Nov 05 2014 at 8:30 PM Rating: Decent
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You have very interesting definitions of "control" and "freedom".


/yawn. I'm an interesting guy. What isn't interesting is your wildly ignorant take on social theory. The average North Korean has a better grasp of the functioning of US class hierarchy than you do.
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#16 Nov 06 2014 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I find it funny that anyone thinks anyone/thing/institution can "let" someone die. If I off myself what exactly are you going to do about it? I get the legal argument about assisting as there's an authority figure involved that could influence decisions but the actual act of killing yourself can't be regulated with any effectiveness.
#17 Nov 06 2014 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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If I off myself what exactly are you going to do about it?
Freeze your accounts and whatever life insurance you might have for one.
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#18 Nov 06 2014 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Life insurance pays out when you off yourself where you are?
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Yodabunny wrote:
Life insurance pays out when you off yourself where you are?


They don't where you are?

Here, life insurances pay out even in cases of suicide, although most have a waiting period attached in which suicides aren't covered. It's usually a couple of years, so plan ahead.

Edit: Accounts are usually frozen, though... The tax administration needs time to yank out the gold teeth before the body goes in the ground. Hey, you don't get free healthcare and education by burying gold in the ground.

Edited, Nov 6th 2014 11:53pm by Mazra
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Mazra wrote:
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Life insurance pays out when you off yourself where you are?


They don't where you are?
Not at all. And I think its crazy that they do where you are.
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#21 Nov 06 2014 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

You have very interesting definitions of "control" and "freedom".


/yawn. I'm an interesting guy. What isn't interesting is your wildly ignorant take on social theory. The average North Korean has a better grasp of the functioning of US class hierarchy than you do.


Which makes one wonder how far down the totem pole your grasp is. At least I can grasp that "not getting something for free" isn't the same as "lack of access". Your entire diatribe falls apart once this relatively simple realization is obtained.

Want to try again? Maybe without the nutty Marxist silliness?
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#22 Nov 06 2014 at 8:07 PM Rating: Default
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Hell. Since I don't feel like waiting, here's a simple way to look at this:

If I give you everything you own, then *I* control what you have. I control what you do. I control *you*.

If you buy everything you own from me, then *you* control what you have. You control what you do. You control *me*.

It's insane to suggest that the poor have more control in a world where they are provided for by the government than one in which they are cruely forced to spend their meager earnings to buy things. You'd be more correct to say that the poor may have more things in the former scenario. But control is not one of them. You give up control for comfort in that case. Which is why it was kind of a mental whiplash moment to see you trying to talk about control and freedom. You give up those things in return for food, and housing, and health care, and whatever other goodies are involved and it's gross deception to try to argue anything else.


Say you want to help provide goodies for the poor (even necessary goodies). But please don't try to claim you're doing it to give them more control and freedom. Cause that aint remotely close.
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#23 Nov 07 2014 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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It's insane to suggest that the poor have more control in a world where they are provided for by the government than one in which they are cruely forced to spend their meager earnings to buy things. You'd be more correct to say that the poor may have more things in the former scenario. But control is not one of them

Nope it is. Wait, wait, sorry. Did you mean in the Land of Make Believe where all of your social theorizing takes place? Where the children who work in the mine can just move on to the next mine if they don't like the wages or the working conditions? I'm not an expert on Make Believe social theory. I am *literally* a world class expert on Real World social theory. I think that's where the confusion starts for you.

Here's a fun game, let's change "things" to "rights". The right to food, the right to shelter, the right to healthcare, the right to free speech, the right to bear arms, the right of owning property.

Does government granting these rights provide less control and freedom because you have done nothing to earn them?

I kid, I kid, you're a fucking idiot and I don't care about your uninformed ignorant opinion at all. :)
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#24 Nov 07 2014 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:

If you buy everything you own from me, then *you* control what you have. You control what you do. You control *me*.


If you only pay me a little and only offer poor goods for me to buy from you at whatever inflated price you choose, who controls who?










Edited, Nov 7th 2014 1:57pm by Elinda
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#25 Nov 07 2014 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
If I give you everything you own, then *I* control what you have.
Great, then take responsibility for this headache and stop posting stupid shit for the sake of attention.
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#26 Nov 07 2014 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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Anyone else looking at a 4-day weekend?

Next tues is veteran's day and a holiday. Myself and many others will be taking Monday off as well. Smiley: grin Happy happy.
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