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#1 Sep 11 2014 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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Rubio was speaking through my radio this morning commenting about Obama's speech last night outlining our strategy for facing down ISIS.

I'm rather ambivalent - or maybe numb. We're just not going to simply let the middle east be. Perceived 'threats' to the homeland and all that. It is an anniversary today.

Still i just don't see 'us' making anything better by throwing more weapons, money and bombs into the fray, and in fact, and as usual we'll ultimately make things worse. If ISIS's biggest threat to us is kidnapping and killing reporters, maybe we could just keep our reporters out of their way. Sure perhaps we can squash this current ISIS regime, but we'll be left with Syria and Iraq with no governments. We'll have further pissed off Iran, and Putin will still be giving us raspberries. Call me skeptical.

I'd rather see us further aiding and abetting West Africa with the ebola outbreak.

I liked very little of what Obama said. He sounded like any other war-monger.

Obama wrote:
May God bless our troops, and may God bless the United States of America.
He didn't mention which god.
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#2 Sep 11 2014 at 6:18 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Obama wrote:
May God bless our troops, and may God bless the United States of America.
He didn't mention which god.
Ares, naturally.

Sadly, I couldn't find any images of Obama made to look like Kratos.
#3 Sep 11 2014 at 6:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Obama wrote:
May God bless our troops, and may God bless the United States of America.
He didn't mention which god.
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#4 Sep 11 2014 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Obama wrote:
May God bless our troops, and may God bless the United States of America.
He didn't mention which god.
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#5 Sep 11 2014 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Still i just don't see 'us' making anything better by throwing more weapons, money and bombs into the fray, and in fact, and as usual we'll ultimately make things worse. If ISIS's biggest threat to us is kidnapping and killing reporters

Don't be ludcirous, it's wonderful when they record beheading reporters, it builds political will to defend the oil resources. It's usually trite and overly simplistic to attribute war to one issue, but this really is almost exclusively about oil. Sometimes things just aren't that complicated.
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#6 Sep 11 2014 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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Still i just don't see 'us' making anything better by throwing more weapons, money and bombs into the fray, and in fact, and as usual we'll ultimately make things worse. If ISIS's biggest threat to us is kidnapping and killing reporters

Don't be ludcirous, it's wonderful when they record beheading reporters, it builds political will to defend the oil resources. It's usually trite and overly simplistic to attribute war to one issue, but this really is almost exclusively about oil. Sometimes things just aren't that complicated.

Oil - it's the Spice of Life.

Weren't we trying to wean ourselves off of oil at one point?... something about ruining the climate, causing global health problems, trashing our planet etc, etc.
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Elinda wrote:
Weren't we trying to wean ourselves off of oil at one point?... something about ruining the climate, causing global health problems, trashing our planet etc, etc.
Did you not get the memo?

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#8 Sep 11 2014 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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Still i just don't see 'us' making anything better by throwing more weapons, money and bombs into the fray, and in fact, and as usual we'll ultimately make things worse.
Welcome to 2003. Although I'm a bit tickled that my initial prediction that Iraq was going to be this generation's Korea is coming true.
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#9 Sep 11 2014 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Welcome to 2003. Although I'm a bit tickled that my initial prediction that Iraq was going to be this generation's Korea is coming true.

Good work. Try predicting the sun will set tonight, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised AGAIN!
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#10 Sep 11 2014 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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Try predicting the sun will set tonight, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised AGAIN!
Sun isn't up today and isn't expected until tomorrow.
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#11 Sep 11 2014 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Questions:
Is there some criteria that we should use before getting involved? (if we assumed it really wasn't all about the oil and the top of the pyramid)
One argument that I have heard is that if the U.S. doesn't do it then no one will...
or along the same lines- U.S. are the only ones with the ability..

I tend to use WW2 as a standard. (once again if we assume our goals were noble) We saw a threat that for SOME reason we decided was Evil and had to be stopped.. It spread in both directions and I am personally inclined to believe that the cause was just and valid.. though I assume that if I really knew all of the details I may think differently..
Vietnam and Korea... were people on board with these wars at the time? I wasn't there. I know there was so much hype about Communism.. so I'm guessing it was either in a similar state as the contemporary political view of Islamic Terrorism...(at least for those needing political spin)

So: What do we think happens if these guys indeed are left unchecked? Do you think there is a chance that they will actually succeed in creating a super-Islamist caliphate?
If that happened.. would you suggest that we make Peace with that state?
I guess that would also lead to.. what would have happened if Germany just left the Soviets alone and totally took over Europe. What would have happened to the world? I suppose the rest of the world would have to just call the a New Nation: United States of the Third Reich and made peace with it?
It seems that comparing the past wars and the US's reasoning for going to war or committing troops is folly anyway since public perspective sways so differently with each passing generation.. however, I do NOT think that the greed and corruption and the need to keep it secret has changed one bit...

The only logical step to all of this is a global police force..Smiley: grin can't trust it to any one nation.. so we'll just put the richest most powerful people in charge of it. We could continue leaving it to all the private contractors.. but people respect consistency.





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#12 Sep 11 2014 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
Dammit, and just when gas prices were starting to creep closer to $3/gallon around here.
#13 Sep 11 2014 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly, after binge watching Archer on Netflix, I just can't take this whole ISIS thing seriously.
#14 Sep 12 2014 at 5:15 AM Rating: Good
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I am personally inclined to believe that the cause was just and valid

Don't be an idiot. The "Cause" in world war 2 was protecting US influence. If the ***** had been kindly old men who liked bunnies, we would have still firebombed the **** out of their cities until we got what we wanted. Your opponents being ******** doesn't make your cause just.
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#15 Sep 12 2014 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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So is **** filtered too?

edit: yep apparently you can't say nazi anymore.

Edited, Sep 12th 2014 3:02pm by Aethien
#16 Sep 12 2014 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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I said 'bullshit' to the guy working on my car the other day. He told me I couldn't say that in his shop.

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#17 Sep 12 2014 at 7:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I said 'bullshit' to the guy working on my car the other day. He told me I couldn't say that in his shop.

Did you call him a Nazi?
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#18 Sep 12 2014 at 7:13 AM Rating: Good
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No. I apologized for saying the 's' word, but held firm to my principle and didn't buy tires from him.
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#20 Sep 12 2014 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:

One argument that I have heard is that if the U.S. doesn't do it then no one will...
or along the same lines- U.S. are the only ones with the ability..


The U.S. are the only one's with the need.

Frankly, the rest of us just don't really care that much. It's their issue, let them sort it out. The only reason to bring more weapons to the region is to assert dominance and control. The bulk of the world just doesn't have much interest in controlling the middle east.
#21 Sep 12 2014 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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The U.S. are the only one's with the need.

Well, Iran. Us getting involved greatly helps our good friends Iran. Although I imagine it won't be sold that way.
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#23 Sep 13 2014 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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Regarding the influence of the US on the rest of world.. especially the level and depth of influence; is it feasible that another country and/or culture could take over that role or is it more likely that this "vacuum", created by the downfall of American so-called "exceptionalism" , doesn't actually exist?

I would argue that once such a global role like that is created and established in the minds of the world that it cannot be unmade..(unless, of course, civilization were unmade). It may also stand to reason that this role be artificially sustained by those that would benefits from it the most. Which is what I think is happening now. The question is: What will be the next World Power? Would it even have to be a nation?



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#24 Sep 15 2014 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
is it feasible that another country and/or culture could take over that role or is it more likely that this "vacuum"
Sure, there are one or two groups that could easily take over the role, but they won't because there is no need when we're okay with spending the money and the negative press doesn't really affect us either way.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Kelvyquayo wrote:
is it feasible that another country and/or culture could take over that role or is it more likely that this "vacuum"
Sure, there are one or two groups that could easily take over the role, but they won't because there is no need when we're okay with spending the money and the negative press doesn't really affect us either way.


The culture that will fill the vacuum (is filling it actually) is one that is fanatically intolerant of others and likes to behead anyone who questions them. So if you're ok with them running things instead of the mean ol US of A, by all means, let's constantly quibble over whether we should get involved.

Obama has watched so many pitches go by, and the world is vastly worse off because of it. The foreign policy approach of "hope things work out ok", isn't such a great idea, after all.
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Smiley: dubious You're asserting that Obama is using a wait and see approach with terrorist organizations? Do you mean wait and see how many of them are killed by drones? The US has hardly been inactive the last 8 years.
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