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#202 Sep 24 2014 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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someproteinguy wrote:
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have to find time to watch a video, listen at the host's pace instead of my reading pace, etc.
Ironicly enough the ones that bug me the most are the ones that have nothing to really watch. Sound at work is problematic, and sound at home is usually drowned out with background noise. That means anything with someone standing there talking into a webcam for 15 minutes is pretty much meaningless to me. There's a point you wonder why someone is even making it into a video.


The ones that bug me are when folks link to a news site, and it's a video with zero text. Um... Not terribly helpful. I get why news sites have video (typically video clips off their respective broadcasts, so it makes sense), but why chose to link to a video about the story rather than a written article?
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#203 Sep 24 2014 at 5:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm irritated by that too, but it's not very confusing. Someone watched the video, found it interesting and so linked you to it. to link you a story they'd have to first go find one and make sure that it's well written and covers the subject adequately which is frankly more work than it's probably worth.

Edited, Sep 24th 2014 6:24pm by Xsarus
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#204 Sep 24 2014 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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While not very confusing, there's about a zero percent chance that I'll watch a news video with no accompanying story. Well, I won't watch it with a story either, but I'll at least pause it and read the story.
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#205 Sep 24 2014 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Ditto. It's one thing to link to a funny youtube video or something (cause it's a video, right?), but if you do run across a news video for a story, and you want to repost it to a primarily chat/discussion based forum like this one, you really should take the time to actually find a text version of the story you want to discuss. Assuming you want your audience to actually discuss the content beyond just "that was a good video", having text is vastly more useful. We can't cut and paste sections of a video and comment on it. And trying to tell people where in a video the thing you're talking about is gets silly really quick.

And on top of that, some of us are reading/posting from work, where viewing much less listening to videos may be problematic.
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#206 Sep 24 2014 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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NPR had a thing on GamerGate today on my drive home from work. Very Pro-Zoe.
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#207 Sep 24 2014 at 6:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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NPR: On the cutting edge of three weeks ago, today.

Edited, Sep 24th 2014 7:19pm by Jophiel
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#208 Sep 24 2014 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
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NPR had a thing on GamerGate today on my drive home from work. Very Pro-Zoe.

GameJournoPros apparently has someone who is listed as with NPR, so that's not surprising.
#209 Sep 24 2014 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
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Not directly related to GamerGate, but Feminism-adjacent and will probably be lumped in with this other stuff by many folks. Here's another one of those images of words Joph loves so much. Emma Watson "nudes threat" fake. Also, an effort to censor the internet.

Edit: For equal opportunity annoyance, I ran across a video on it in my subscriptions.

Edited, Sep 25th 2014 12:22am by Poldaran
#210 Sep 25 2014 at 4:14 AM Rating: Good
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So... We aren't getting an Emma Watson sex tape? Smiley: frown
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#211 Sep 25 2014 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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So... We aren't getting an Emma Watson **** tape? Smiley: frown

Maybe she'll join PETA one day or something. There's still hope.

Edited, Sep 25th 2014 4:28am by Poldaran
#212 Sep 25 2014 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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This subject reminds me of when I visited an old friend in my old ghetto neighborhood. When I had come a point where I was starting to worry about bills, career, future, etc... He was relegated to the school-yard concerns of the teen-age thug rats that infested his block... involving himself in BS drama like who's talking **** about whomever..

I understand that many people take it upon themselves to take things like this seriously.. but for whatever reason it just seems like another excuse to throw your opinion around like a flail.. If some women don't like the way that woman are depicted by men in video games then go design some games yourself, women! Until then - stop trying to force human nature to change. (and I know that numerous woman have designed some very successful games)

Then again I have always scoffed at the idea of some universal gamer "community". Sure there are groups of friends that develop.. but identifying myself as a "Gamer" just seems lame to me.. and calling all gamers, universally, a community is like me calling my family members a community.
Sure I know they are there.. I listen to what they say once in a while.. but at the end of the day.. everyone usually goes their separate ways.. which remain separate.
Plus.. what does an avid WoW player have to do with an avid Candy Crush Saga player other than maybe hating board-games?



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Oh, awesome. Cracked has yet another article about this.

Cracked: Bringing you three weeks ago last week, then again early this week, then again later this week then maybe over the weekend...

Also, an article with some guy bitching about Watch Dogs for two solid pages.

Edited, Sep 25th 2014 1:44pm by Jophiel
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#214 Sep 25 2014 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Oh, awesome. Cracked has yet another article about this.

Cracked: Bringing you three weeks ago last week, then again early this week, then again later this week then maybe over the weekend...
Hey, threatening Moot takes time out of their busy schedule. They can't do two things at once.
#215 Sep 25 2014 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Cracked: Bringing you three weeks ago last week, then again early this week, then again later this week then maybe over the weekend...

You aren't their demographic, gramps. You're supposed to be over at Straight Dope learning the truth about throwing salt over your shoulder.
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In so far as "Want comedy from comedy site", I suppose I may not be their demographic. If I want to read 20-something's hipster pontificating about the world's woes, I'll wander over to Vice.

/old man
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#217 Sep 25 2014 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
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So... We aren't getting an Emma Watson **** tape? Smiley: frown

Maybe she'll join PETA one day or something. There's still hope.


We get Dan Radcliffe naked on stage fucking a horse but Emma won't even slip a nip? *That's* sexual inequality!
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#218 Sep 25 2014 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
So... We aren't getting an Emma Watson **** tape? Smiley: frown

Maybe she'll join PETA one day or something. There's still hope.


We get Dan Radcliffe naked on stage fucking a horse but Emma won't even slip a nip? *That's* sexual inequality!


I think she has, a couple times. And some upskirt bush.
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#219 Sep 25 2014 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Meh, those are faked I'm sure. Hey Guys What's Going On and all that.
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#220 Sep 25 2014 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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Meh, those are faked I'm sure. Hey Guys What's Going On and all that.


Not fake, just odd angles from paparazzi and relatively poor quality. I used to check Egotastic daily.
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#221 Sep 26 2014 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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I have this weird feeling in my gut. I thought it was gas at first, since it's related to EA. But I think it might be a little bit of respect, just a little, for someone over there.Actual words, not a picture of words. Scroll down to the comment by Chris Mancil, who is Director of Digital Communications at EA. Or you can watch a video.

Or just read it here wrote:
We have all had to deal with trolls, a-holes, hacker kids, and gamers/fans/haters of all stripes for years. The one redeeming quality of all them (to me) was that they were always gamers – and that was an enthusiasm and love that we all shared. That passion made people do crazy things. As easy as it could have been, I never lost respect for the audience. The people we make games for – even some of the bad ones. That’s our business, and I HOPE its why we all still do this. Love for the art AND for the fans. Two sides of the same coin.

This group of gamers for #GamerGate are angry. **** I don’t think this incident with Ms. Quinn and the media are the direct cause of this exclusively, but rather a spark that blew up some smoldering issues that have been building for years. This level of anger and commitment by these gamers is intense, and its growing. Something is wrong here, this is abnormal.

My opinion:
Its not about Social Justice warriors, that has always been a strong influence in gaming. Sometimes its annoying, sure, but it can also be a positive force as well, a much-needed conscience, and a reminder to us all to consider what we create says and means to people of all ages and backgrounds.
Its not really about ethics. Games Media and Games Development have always been intertwined like Siamese twins. We depend on each other greatly, and this relationship (when properly balanced) benefits games and gamers as a whole.

I think the real problem here is alienation. Not of values. That’s misguided. Its not liberal/conservative values, politics, or world-view. Its fear of being meaningless. Its about our loss of connection between ordinary gamers and the games industry. We are losing our connection with people. I think our industry has been drifting further and further away from our fans, as our business get larger, and our global reach gets broader. This lack of a relationship, of mutual feedback, of a personal connection between ourselves and the audience (I believe) is really the true culprit of most deep seated anger here. There is no connection with us, no trust, not even understanding. Yet gamers depend more and more on us for their primary entertainment (important!) and we absolutely depend on them as customers. Yet, our relationship – is increasingly one-sided. They being the unit sale, the % converted on the acquisition funnel, or the revenue target – not the person, the player, the gamer who is (or was) exactly like all of us. We NEED them, and they KNOW we need them. They NEED us too – but have we forgotten that? Do we sometimes feel, we don’t really need them?

This alienation and dependency brings about epic rage – think banks, cellular providers, airlines, cable companies and the hate those relationships generate with customers who NEED that service but get treated like beasts… that’s our future (some would say our present). And in this environment, a back-handed slap to a mass group of gamers who are mass-labeled “misogynists” “rapists” “gamers are dead” “Games ashamed” are just *fighting words* yelled by a distant, contemptuous, un-connected gaming entity that is part of the establishment elite – and this same recipe (the exact same spark) of every single race/political/protest riot the world over from the beginning of time. And like every protest, there are those who support the activists and those who support law & order, and the establishment. But the root cause of the event is usually NOT what they are yelling and fighting about, but something much deeper, and harder to explain.

Usually being oppressed, insulted, or just generally being abused and invisible.

And in this outburst of anger, some of the media turned and fired into the gamer protesters, which then became a riot.

Both sides now dehumanize the other, making it easier to escalate. I wish I knew how to diffuse it.

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Edited, Sep 26th 2014 1:17am by Poldaran
#222 Sep 26 2014 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Actual words, not a picture of words.
Lies, horrible lies. Smiley: disappointed

But yes, score one for the internet and it's ability to make everything a big deal.
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#223 Sep 26 2014 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, see? Now we just need to let each side know they're over-reacting and this'll be all fixed. Give it five minutes or so.
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#224 Sep 26 2014 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Actual words, not a picture of words.
Lies, horrible lies. Smiley: disappointed
I can copy paste it. What more do you want, Morgan Freeman reading it?
#225 Sep 26 2014 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Actual words, not a picture of words.
Lies, horrible lies. Smiley: disappointed
I can copy paste it. What more do you want, Morgan Freeman reading it?
Is that too much to ask?
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#226 Sep 26 2014 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Actual words, not a picture of words.
Lies, horrible lies. Smiley: disappointed
I can copy paste it. What more do you want, Morgan Freeman reading it?
Is that too much to ask?
Apparently. Best I could do was a Bane impersonator and I couldn't understand what the hell he was saying.
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