A you trying to make me a feminist?Follow

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Oh no one will let it die that easy, this thread Is already 2 months old. Where's that picture thingy about gamers who grind away on boring games for months to get special sparkly swords?

Edited, Oct 29th 2014 10:23am by someproteinguy

Gamersgate is offering all of the Dead Island games for $8 total, where you can play as men that can kick and beat women zombies.


Am I helping yet?

Edited, Oct 29th 2014 1:30pm by Shaowstrike

I was thinking more about the larger issue in general, but thank you very much for that uplifting insight...

What are the projects, burying old people that can't handle weather change?

Because I'm avoiding actually doing work, I was looking into what people in my feminist gamer networks felt about Quinn.

She's pretty universally disliked in my network, as is Sarkeesian. They all think they do shoddy work, fail to address rational counter-arguments, and actually erase many women in gaming in order to make their arguments "stronger." I only really looked at one example - it was about Sarkeesian and Bayonetta being a male fantasy, when her character design was an expression of a female designer's sexuality - but yeah, it's not a stretch to say she's not anywhere close to being a quality feminist scholar.

Obviously, all these people also still think Gamergate is about women. And they're all also strongly, and vocally, opposed to the harassment Quinn and and other women have received. But they're not interested in defending Quinn's arguments, products, etc. - just her.

It needs to be explicitly stated that I did NOT go looking for defenses of Quinn's and Sarkeesian's feminist theories, and I'm sure they exist. I checked the networks I was already looped into ONLY, so there's a really, really heavy selection bias there. But I was only looking to find out more about Quinn from non-gamergate sources, and feminists I trust was the logical choice.

So really... both sides lose? That's pretty heavily what I'm feeling right now.

Relevant re-quote is still relevant.

Screen-captured as evidence for my Tumblr anti-misogyny blog.

Sigh, it was such a nice secret society before women ruined it all.

The different schools of feminism are different theories about what is required in order for women to be free and what is the cause of their subjugation in the first place.

Radical feminists are often apart from other schools in that they believe that gender is the fundamental system of all oppressions under patriarchy.

ALL feminists would agree that gender is being used as a mechanism of oppression - we train our girls to be submissive from birth, and we don't encourage them to excel in culturally-valued roles like we do with boys - but other schools of feminism focus on equalizing gender, rather than destroying it.

Liberal feminists hold that society has a belief that women are physically and intellectually inferior to men, and that has led to the systemic issues women face.

Cultural feminism holds that society has an untrue belief that the disparity between the sexes is biological, not culturally reinforced (for example, the really long-held belief in Western culture that women can't excel in academics). They argue that essential all relevant beliefs about female capability are the result of cultural influence, not biology.

Socialist feminism holds that, as men control the VAST majority of capital, women cannot attain equality under capitalism, particularly not free market capitalism.

Intersectionalist feminism is essentially a meta theory that you'd layer on top of another layer of feminism. Intersectionality doesn't have any belief about what causes patriarchy, but it holds that the specific oppression a person faces is the result of ALL the different, unique lines of oppression that they face. Which is pretty obvious - rich black guys, poor white women, middle class trans, upper class white gay, etc. all have very different experiences of oppression.

Generally speaking, socialist vs. cultural vs. liberal doesn't really matter, functionally. Perspectives on individual issues don't often differ greatly between them outside of market-based issues (where socialist feminists may disagree with cultural/liberal feminists on a case-by-case basis).

Radical feminists, believing that equality can't be established while we reinforce the gender system, are often apart. They're also the school that tends to be the most aggressive as a result of being apart from the rest, and being the school that most directly blames MEN (rather than blaming the mechanisms men have established and fail to recognize).

Sarkeesian is on Colbert tonight, which side has lost now?

It doesn't have to be. Stand with GG moderates to fix the issues with journalistic integrity. Be a part of those feminists who try to stop the radfems from being the only voices and keep them from squashing reasonable discourse by crying misogyny anytime someone criticizes what a woman is saying rather than the woman herself. Don't let those who are trying to profit by using you guys to hide behind when they're guilty of corruption continue to use your names. Join the Gamergate Harrassment Patrol in beating down those who are doing harassment specifically.

We can fix this. Yeah, trolls will continue doing what they do, but good can come of it.

http://greyarch.tumblr.com/post/101279918400/those-guys-were-totally-out-of-balance-and-they

Edit: Oops, In my rush to finish the message and get ready for work I grabbed the wrong image. I'll leave that one up because I like it anyway. I meant this one.


Edited, Oct 29th 2014 11:33pm by Poldaran