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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Also, oh hey... Deadspin. Gawker media has managed to bring its Click-Bait Issue of the Month to yet another of its properties. How kind of Gawker to publish yet ANOTHER column defining for us all exactly what Gamergate is and driving its own perfectly innocent narrative 
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 3:10pm by Jophiel
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 3:10pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Why the hermumph is every article on this a mini-novel? I liked the "This is when everything fell all the way down the ****ter" synopsis however.
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 1:12pm by someproteinguy
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 1:12pm by someproteinguy
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someproteinguy wrote:
Why the hermumph is every article on this a mini-novel?
Because you can't work twenty links to Gawker, Kotaku and Jezebel into a three paragraph article.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Why the hermumph is every article on this a mini-novel?
Because you can't work twenty links to Gawker, Kotaku and Jezebel into a three paragraph article.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
At this point, listening to Gawker Media about Gamergate is like listening Fox News about Democrats. They know where their paychecks are coming from and they know the best way to stay in the money is a 24/7 stream of things to get outraged about.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
It doesn't mean they're wrong, though.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Omegavegeta wrote:
It doesn't mean they're wrong, though.
No, they are wrong for other reasons. They just are a big enough voice that they can drown out anyone else by calling them all misogynists. Heck, first line of the second paragraph pretty much says that.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
TirithRR wrote:
No, they are wrong for other reasons. They just are a big enough voice that they can drown out anyone else by calling them all misogynists. Heck, first line of the second paragraph pretty much says that.
1st line of 2nd paragraph wrote:
By design, Gamergate is nearly impossible to define.
It does???
I thought it was a pretty in depth article that points out not only the issues with gamergate itself & breaks down the history of it, it even points out the issues journalists are having covering it by giving equal voice to both "sides" but leaving out the crazy, conspiracy theory filled, misogynistic side.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Omegavegeta wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
No, they are wrong for other reasons. They just are a big enough voice that they can drown out anyone else by calling them all misogynists. Heck, first line of the second paragraph pretty much says that.
1st line of 2nd paragraph wrote:
By design, Gamergate is nearly impossible to define.
It does???
Yes, it does.
Actual first line of Second quoted paragraph wrote:
This ambiguity is useful, because it turns any discussion of this subject into a debate over semantics.
Omegavegeta wrote:
I thought it was a pretty in depth article that points out not only the issues with gamergate itself & breaks down the history of it, it even points out the issues journalists are having covering it by giving equal voice to both "sides" but leaving out the crazy, conspiracy theory filled, misogynistic side.
The quoted paragraphs are pretty much exactly what Pold and Joph had issues with.
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Really, though, Gamergate is exactly what it appears to be: a relatively small and very loud group of video game enthusiasts who claim that their goal is to audit ethics in the gaming-industrial complex and who are instead defined by the campaigns of criminal harassment that some of them have carried out against several women. (Whether the broader Gamergate movement is a willing or inadvertent semi-respectable front here is an interesting but ultimately irrelevant question.)
Ignoring the issues, calling them irrelevant, and focusing instead on categorizing everyone who disagrees with them as pro-murder/rape/threats/misogyny.
Edit:
Damn multiple nested quotes...
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 5:29pm by TirithRR
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
TirithRR wrote:
Ignoring the issues, calling them irrelevant, and focusing instead on categorizing everyone who disagrees with them as pro-murder/rape/threats/misogyny.
The Article breaks down all the issues on every side of Gamergate.
It says pretty much exactly what I've been saying in this entire thread - that because of the very loud actions of a few, the movement is more defined by the misogyny that started the movement than the ethics in video game journalism issues that it has since tried to pivot to. Because of that, I don't really feel they're wrong in saying while those issues are interesting, they're ultimately irrelevant due to the crazy taking center stage.
And at no point in the article do they paint anyone that disagrees with them in the pro-murder/rape/threats/misogyny camp.
Did we read the same thing, are you projecting, or am I missing something else?
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Quote:
Really, though, Gamergate is exactly what it appears to be: a relatively small and very loud group of video game enthusiasts who claim that their goal is to audit ethics in the gaming-industrial complex and who are instead defined by the campaigns of criminal harassment that some of them have carried out against several women. (Whether the broader Gamergate movement is a willing or inadvertent semi-respectable front here is an interesting but ultimately irrelevant question.)
To me, that says this:
Gamergate = Misogyny
Anything else is just a front to hide the misogyny, and is irrelevant, cause all that is important is the smaller group of misogynists.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Omegavegeta wrote:
It doesn't mean they're wrong, though.
When your article is 95% opinion designed to drive your narrative it's hard to be "wrong".
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
TirithRR wrote:
Gamergate = Misogyny
Anything else is just a front to hide the misogyny, and is irrelevant, cause all that is important is the smaller group of misogynists.
Anything else is just a front to hide the misogyny, and is irrelevant, cause all that is important is the smaller group of misogynists.
I liked it when he said Intel was "bullied" into dropping its ads. I wonder if Gawker Media ever said that 1-800-FLOWERS was "bullied" into dropping its ads from Rush Limbaugh during the Sandra Fluke thing.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
This whole ethics in gaming journalism bit. wtf? What is gaming journalism? Game reviews? Who gives a ****? I assume all reviewers are basically paid off. Are you telling me they aren't always?
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 5:15pm by Xsarus
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 5:15pm by Xsarus
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I am not sure if I should feel bad for GamersGate.com or if they are getting a bunch of free advertising and a bunch of new random user hits.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
They give you a 20% off voucher if you send a female developer a murder-rape threat Tweet with hashtag #gamersgate.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm all for cheap games, but that one doesn't seem like the best deal.
75% off? Sure. But all that for only 20% off?
75% off? Sure. But all that for only 20% off?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
TirithRR wrote:
Gamergate = Misogyny
Anything else is just a front to hide the misogyny, and is irrelevant, cause all that is important is the smaller group of misogynists.
Anything else is just a front to hide the misogyny, and is irrelevant, cause all that is important is the smaller group of misogynists.
Article JUST before the previous section you quotes wrote:
This ambiguity is useful, because it turns any discussion of this subject into a debate over semantics
And here we are. Whhhheeeee!!!!
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Omegavegeta wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
Gamergate = Misogyny
Anything else is just a front to hide the misogyny, and is irrelevant, cause all that is important is the smaller group of misogynists.
Anything else is just a front to hide the misogyny, and is irrelevant, cause all that is important is the smaller group of misogynists.
Article JUST before the previous section you quotes wrote:
This ambiguity is useful, because it turns any discussion of this subject into a debate over semantics
And here we are. Whhhheeeee!!!!
Yes, as I said, instead of talking about it, they can just call everyone misogynists and ignore them as irrelevant. And they say it's a good thing.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
As I said, I disagree & here we are arguing about semantics as the article predicted.
Giddyup!
Giddyup!
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Omegavegeta wrote:
Article JUST before the previous section you quotes wrote:
This ambiguity is useful, because it turns any discussion of this subject into a debate over semantics
In this case it's not a debate over "semantics", it's just relaying what the article's author said in his own words:
Gamergate is exactly what it appears to be: a relatively small and very loud group of video game enthusiasts who claim that their goal is to audit ethics in the gaming-industrial complex and who are instead defined by the campaigns of criminal harassment that some of them have carried out against several women. (Whether the broader Gamergate movement is a willing or inadvertent semi-respectable front here is an interesting but ultimately irrelevant question.)
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Omegavegeta wrote:
As I said, I disagree & here we are arguing about semantics as the article predicted.
I don't think you understand what "semantics" means. In any event, saying "Semantics!" is a Gbaji-level cop out.
Also, Heh.
Edited, Oct 14th 2014 6:02pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
I read that in the voice of that guy in the clip from the Chappelle Show "If the Internet was a real place".
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Quote:
I don't think you understand what "semantics" means. In any event, saying "Semantics!" is a Gbaji-level cop out.
Oh, I understand semantics. I just don't infer the same meaning in that quote that the two of you do, hence why I find it amusing that the article predicted we'd be arguing over them. I think what you quoted explains gamergate pretty spot on, so I doubt I've copped out of anything in this thread.
I am getting tired of saying the same thing over & over though & shall be leaving work shortly, so I'll check back in tomorrow.
Toodle-oo!
(the comic was funny)
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