Meanwhile in the State of Isreal/Palestine(?)Follow

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=israel+bulldozing+homes

didn't happen though.

Blowing up the home of a suicide bomber.... something about that just doesn't seem productive.

If the person has already done the bombing, they are obviously not at their home. You're killing their family in that case. If the person has not done the bombing, then how do you know they are, in fact, a suicide bomber?`

I don't mean to suggest that you are. Was merely commenting on the concept of blowing up a suicide bomber's house and family.

My understanding is that it's usually just the house, not the family. Well, unless they refuse to leave the house, I suppose. But then that's just proof that they're a witch, right?

My understanding is they get escorted out by armed guards (assuming they hadn't vacated already), and an armored bulldozer smashes it flat.

Um... No, I didn't, because that didn't happen. Go look up the population number and mix prior to the whole "Zionist homeland" movement. Then come back to this thread once you realize that there was almost no one living in the area until European Zionists came along and started building aqueducts and irrigation systems and settling the now habitable lands that were previously unsettled. I correctly addressed this with the part about a room with 20 chairs but room for 100.

Israel built all those chairs. Yes, even the ones the Palestinians are claiming were theirs all along. The properties the Palestinians are claiming they were ejected from? All existed as a direct result of the Zionist development efforts in the 20th century. You don't really think that those homes and streets existed before then, do you? What happened is that the Jewish folks massively built up the area, benefiting themselves and the people who were living there (a good percentage of which were Jewish as well). They were so successful at this that people started flocking there from the surrounding areas to live there.

Then, after this massive population boom, the Muslims decided they didn't want to live in a "Jewish state", so when the British Mandate was set to end and the nation of Israel would take full control, they insisted on dividing the region into two separate states. So even though the Israelis had more or less built everything that was there and made it possible for so many people to live there in the first place, they agreed to this. Then, literally the day the Mandate ended, the Muslims (now calling themselves Palestinians, a name which previously just applied to all people living in the area) worked with all three surrounding Muslim nations (Syria, Jordan, and Egypt) to attack the new nation of Israel. It didn't work. Israel captured the entire area, and some portions of the other three nations as well.

Despite this, and despite getting directly screwed over every single time they've dealt in good faith with the "Palestinians", Israel has continued to try to find some way to live in peace in that area. They've given away land only to have that land used as staging areas for attacks against them. When the take it back again, they're told they must give it back again (only to have the same thing happen again). They've made land/property swap deals, and have moved their people as required, only to have the other side refuse to do the same. It's happened again, and again, and again. It's just impossible to deal with a group of people who just want you gone. Period. And failing to recognize that and react to that means you will get wiped out.

You have to be wearing amazingly strong antisemitic blinders on to think that this is all Israel's fault. It's just one of those things that I find shocking that anyone actually takes the side of Palestine after all of this. I mean, they don't even pretend that they aren't actively engaged in terrorist actions, nor do they hide their objective to destroy the state of Israel. But somehow, stacked against that, people choose to blame Israel whenever they dare to fight back? That's insane. So folks in Gaza are launching rockets targeting civilian targets in Israel, and that's just peachy, but heaven forbid that an Israeli strike on those rocket emplacements might happen to kill a couple civilians! Wow. Just... wow. Serious blinders going on there.

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Do you honestly believe that if Israel tomorrow granted the Palestinians every single thing they are asking for, it would end the violence or prevent the complete destruction of their nation? You're demanding infinite restraint of a nation that is subject to attacks that will never end until they are destroyed. What do you realistically expect Israel to do?

Some people simply believe that if you treat people the way Jews were treated in Warsaw Ghetto, you may not have a higher moral ground; particularly if you just had it done to you.

It may surprise you Gbaji, but Polandball is not always an accurate depiction of nation state relationships..

Why not blame Canada?

Yes, and since offense is best defense, being overwhelmingly defensive is not always the best approach.

Huh? Why not blame Canada? How about Germany? Or UK?

How about we stop trying to blame actors different than the actual sides to the conflict?

Egypt... yeah, because Israel never did anything to **** them off. Lavon affair never happened.