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#227 Nov 05 2015 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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There is no ******* way Palpitus is varus. I can't see the slightest resemblance.

A blatant clue for you would be the fact that Palpitus has stated he's voted for Clinton and Obama on their 1st terms.
Yeah; I just went ahead and didn't believe that bit. Sue me.


ETA: It's entirely possible I'm confusing Palpi with some other poster, though. I ain't perfect, y'know.Smiley: frown


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#228 Nov 05 2015 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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You make the most inane strawman posts, it's just embarrassing.
It must be embarrassing for you to learn that maybe that comment was about someone else.
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I'm a progressive.
Well, you're certainly getting progressively more paranoid.
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#229 Nov 05 2015 at 8:42 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm think palpitus is just palpitus.

It's possible they're a platypus.

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#230 Nov 05 2015 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thinking this is Varus (I don't) would require thinking that Varus could spare a thought for people across the ocean.
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#231 Nov 05 2015 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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ALSO: A little research (looking at his ZAM profile) tells me that Palpi hails from Monterey, CA.

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Gee-golly, Palpi, I am heartily sorry I compared you to an inbred MSM in Tennessee...really.


Smiley: flowers?
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#232 Nov 05 2015 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think they are wins for the US as a nation.

Who cares what you think? You asked what Obama had done his second term. The answer is that he has passed through major trade deals and foreign agreements. If the question is "What did Obama do that Gbaji will say was wonderful?" then, sure, nothing. But that's a stupid question.


Context matters. The context was about presidents improving in their second term. What he's done in his second term is basically coast. The trade deals were things being worked on for quite some time, and were going to happen with or without Obama's involvement. The Iran deal was basically Obama throwing his hands up and saying "do whatever you want" (hence my comment about giving Alaska back to the Russians). Things happening during a presidents watch doesn't necessarily translate into an accomplishment for that president.
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#233 Nov 05 2015 at 5:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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#234 Nov 06 2015 at 4:23 AM Rating: Good
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ALSO: A little research (looking at his ZAM profile) tells me that Palpi hails from Monterey, CA.

OOPS


Gee-golly, Palpi, I am heartily sorry I compared you to an inbred MSM in Tennessee...really.


Smiley: flowers?


We are good. "Palpitus" is my name from around '97 or so as the first name of my Everquest character. Last name was "Tlaloc" after the rain god of the Aztecs. Also, for no reason to declare, I have a fetish for words ending in "consonant-U-S" that are not Latin. I keep on hand my trusty ledger to document such words. There are 102 so far, including "crocus" and "octopus" for example. I'm sure if you deign to stalk me much more you'll find that out. I am originally from Virginia. My votes for Presidential elections have been: Clinton, Dole, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Stein. Yeah, I actually voted for Bob Dole! Totally **** you incumbent if you haven't yet delivered.

I don't know what a Varus is and have only drove through Tennessee. I did see an awesome pyramid building there though. Smiley: inlove


Edited, Nov 6th 2015 5:24am by Palpitus1
#235 May 05 2016 at 1:39 AM Rating: Default
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Another year, another abject failure at that promise. Might not mean much to many. But is also akin perhaps to the Administration not calling the Egyptian coup a "coup" so that laws against selling arms to couped-states didn't attach so we could keep selling them munitions. Also regional concerns, which might be good but flout that very plain "coup" law. Such law doesn't grant an allowance for geopolitics. It's binary.

And obviously the O Admin's refusal to call the Armenian Genocide a genocide is due to being cowed by Turkey. Which is kind of a **** ally, with their assholeness and hatred of (and possible current quasi-genocide of Kurds). I guess anew. 100 years ago so irrelevant, millions of Armenians dying and no US Prez acknowledging such? Not even Obama, that scaredy-cat. How about now. Past is prologue. Genocide once, genocide again, if zero repercussions or even acknowledgement.

I have nothing against Turks. But that government got a free pass, our current President promised to challenge that, he didn't, and Turkey now feels free to use the Syria situation to bomb and kill Kurds (and anyone anti-Erdogan). Etc.

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#236 May 05 2016 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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#237 May 05 2016 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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If you are hoping for American foreign policy to be driven by what is right and what is wrong, I'm afraid you'll be waiting a very long time.
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#238 May 05 2016 at 8:42 AM Rating: Default
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I'm waiting for one damned Obama supporter to rightfully call him a liar for this lying lie he lied. At the end of days, the second term.

Plus yeah, it does matter and has implications. And Kurds are dying, maybe even in droves. By Turkish weapons. Ho-hum I guess.

Not foreign policy. Voters who approved this.
#239 May 05 2016 at 8:46 AM Rating: Default
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Nah. Obama had eight years to comply with his campaign promise. Clinton didn't even promise anything. So no failure as to her promise, since it wasn't made. Last day of Obama's office when he again refuses to fulfill this promise, I'm done with this thread. Sorry for holding a candidate to their word, even for so many years. Silly me.
#240 May 05 2016 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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Had the situations in Syria/Russia not ended up the way they did, it's quite likely Obama would have kept his word. But they didn't, so he didn't due to a change in the price of that statement.

Obama's idealism is quite cold in the ground at this point. It's not the only thing he reneged on for tactical reasons.
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I'm waiting for one damned Obama supporter to rightfully call him a liar for this lying lie he lied.

Then what?
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#242 May 05 2016 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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Palpy said he supported Obama at first, and is calling him a liar now, so he's already gotten what he wanted.
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#243 May 07 2016 at 2:05 AM Rating: Default
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I'm waiting for one damned Obama supporter to rightfully call him a liar for this lying lie he lied.

Then what?


Then their little tribalist brains might break and a floodgate might open where they suddenly are consistent in their supposed values and also criticize him for war-crime drone bombing, arming and aiding Saudi in their Yemen campaign, prosecuting whistleblowers, trying to move Gitmo North as if that would deal with Constitutional objections, etc. Too late now though. Apologism reigns.

The greatest time to ascertain which liberal or conservative actually believes in their convictions is when the Presidency changes. Suddenly mute (or suddenly outraged) about the same or even worse atrocities=fair-weather "liberals" and "conservatives". Good time to see the true character of online commentators, and politicians, and media members.

And yea, "conservatives" too. Any which weren't railing against Bush for massively increasing federal spending including towards needless war and expanding agencies etc. was also faux. I'll respect any conservative or liberal if they can bother to remain consistent and not ignore problems even if their favored party is in office as President. The others? Contemptuous. Sociopathic clique high schoolers. Not that you're one of them. But Obama's PROMISE to Armenian supporters is bafflingly shoo-shooed and apologized. Even though it's a completely binary decision he has so far failed on. Bad/good? According to apologists, he's doing his best and wants to do so, but gosh geopolitics prevent him. Turkey so important. GTFO. Or I guess too bad Armenians don't make up enough of the electorate/lobby to make him acknowledge their being genocided as a genocide. Has he also refused to call the Holocaust a genocide? The Holodomor? Rwanda? Wonder what the difference is...

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#244 May 07 2016 at 10:50 PM Rating: Good
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The difference is that those genocides were done by rival powers, and thus are/were geopolitical capital rather than albatrosses.
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The Holodomor wasn't about rival power, since the Reds had already won. It was maniacal. (so too the Great Leap Forward--Mao had nothing to fear from Kai-shek at that point...) And hardly about politics as much as also killing property-owners and such. Lenin's Russia was so powerful that he didn't need to assassinate Trotsky, for a simple example. Yet he did so. Not about a rival at that point. Same for property-owners, artists, writers, etc. Not an actual political threat, but instead genocided due to Lenin/Staliln's innate assholeness.

The Holocaust obviously wasn't about rival powers, unless you're contending the Jewish political party in Germany was about to win election. What.

The Rwandan Genocide is the closest to an actual political rivalry, where the genocider and genocidee prior to genocide hold around equal power. Your other examples fail.

Please elucidate us on why the Armenian Genocide happened because Turkey was about to lose political power to its Armenian-Turk population. I mean ****, you might be right on that. Kind of doubt you are though. I think the Armenian Genocide is more an example of evil people murdering innocent people due to racism than any political rivalry/political threat.
#246 May 09 2016 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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I'm speaking about the US recognition of these things. If you want the raison d'être, it's collective punishment for resisting the State. The Armenians aligned with Russia against Turkish rule, therefore, they had to go.

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I was going to post "Rwanda is a political rival now?" in response to your original comment but decided agaisnt it. I should have gone ahead, could have averted this whole misunderstanding.
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And yea, "conservatives" too. Any which weren't railing against Bush for massively increasing federal spending including towards needless war and expanding agencies etc. was also faux. I'll respect any conservative or liberal if they can bother to remain consistent and not ignore problems even if their favored party is in office as President. The others? Contemptuous. Sociopathic clique high schoolers. Not that you're one of them. But Obama's PROMISE to Armenian supporters is bafflingly shoo-shooed and apologized. Even though it's a completely binary decision he has so far failed on.


I'll toss the same response that I give to the usual "but they're being hypocritical!" claims. I suspect you're not grasping how the conservative and liberal agenda's are aligned. As a general rule, conservatives view the role of the federal government as primarily being externally focused. So spending on wars, foreign policy, foreign aid, immigration enforcement, etc, while wanting to reduce spending on domestic stuff, is not in any way hypocritical nor is it inconsistent. In the other direction, liberals tend to view the role of the federal government as being internally focused. so choosing to focus on things like health care, education, deciding who gets to use which bathrooms in public spaces, etc, while taking a minimal "let's just all get along" approach to foreign policy is also neither hypocritical nor inconsistent for them.

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Bad/good? According to apologists, he's doing his best and wants to do so, but gosh geopolitics prevent him. Turkey so important. GTFO.


Again, what did you expect? You're how old and you haven't yet figured out that the typical liberal approach to foreign policy mostly involves boats and not rocking them?

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Or I guess too bad Armenians don't make up enough of the electorate/lobby to make him acknowledge their being genocided as a genocide. Has he also refused to call the Holocaust a genocide? The Holodomor? Rwanda? Wonder what the difference is...


That he hasn't been asked to do so? That doing so doesn't involve inserting himself into what he may view as a "foreign problem"? I will point out, since you seem **** bent on trying to invent an inconsistency here, that he has in fact been criticized for taking what many feel to be a far too moderate stance on Israel and the Holocaust. Again though, that's completely consistent with his foreign policy approach of not taking sides. It's not like he's only been doing this with just this one issue. Maybe broaden your viewpoint and you might just see the bigger picture here?
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I'll toss the same response that I give to the usual "but they're being hypocritical!" claims. I suspect you're not grasping how the conservative and liberal agenda's are aligned. As a general rule, conservatives view the role of the federal government as primarily being externally focused. So spending on wars, foreign policy, foreign aid, immigration enforcement, etc, while wanting to reduce spending on domestic stuff, is not in any way hypocritical nor is it inconsistent. In the other direction, liberals tend to view the role of the federal government as being internally focused. so choosing to focus on things like health care, education, deciding who gets to use which bathrooms in public spaces, etc, while taking a minimal "let's just all get along" approach to foreign policy is also neither hypocritical nor inconsistent for them.


DHS, TSA, dozens more agencies and sub-agencies created by Bush. Billions to spend by government.

"To them". Real conservatives would balk at an unnecessary $2 trillion war. A dozen new agencies. Massive expansion of government. DHS and TSA etc. are rather obviously only internally focused btw.

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Again, what did you expect? You're how old and you haven't yet figured out that the typical liberal approach to foreign policy mostly involves boats and not rocking them?


You're how old that you aren't aware Korea was initiated by Democrat Truman, and Vietnam by Democrat Kennedy? It's laughable that anyone would adhere to any sense of their party being less warmongering--both are. You should apparently be proud of Truman, JFK, etc. for "rocking boats". The ****. If you like "rocking boats" of the past century of war-mongering, you should champion Clinton for POTUS. She's likely to rock a lot more boats than Trump. You looove rocking boats (war!) My son. My child. My little gbaji suckling pig.

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That he hasn't been asked to do so? That doing so doesn't involve inserting himself into what he may view as a "foreign problem"? I will point out, since you seem **** bent on trying to invent an inconsistency here, that he has in fact been criticized for taking what many feel to be a far too moderate stance on Israel and the Holocaust. Again though, that's completely consistent with his foreign policy approach of not taking sides. It's not like he's only been doing this with just this one issue. Maybe broaden your viewpoint and you might just see the bigger picture here?


"asked"? He PROMISED. Has nothing to do with Israel or Micronesia or Deer Park, Texas or the Bahamas. Has to do with millions of Armenian corpses. Google such if you want!

"Promise". Look up a word in a dictionary. Also, have zero idea what you mean be "too moderate...Holocaust". What? I think it's obviously from this thread I don't like Obama, but just what do you mean by him being "moderate on the Holocaust"?? I admire you gbaji as a lone conservative still here, but gtfo with your ********* I'll tear you apart just like I did Jophiel in this thread (well okay Joph, I didn't, but let's say I did for the sake of impact).


Edited, May 24th 2016 9:22am by Palpitus1
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I'm speaking about the US recognition of these things. If you want the raison d'être, it's collective punishment for resisting the State. The Armenians aligned with Russia against Turkish rule, therefore, they had to go.



I like your posts. Consistently rational. Even as I disagree.
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