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Wasn't hard to be honest. It just tosses a lot of dumb mechanics at you and a lot of people go full ****** when they see something that can be dodge. It's almost like someone shuts down and decides: "I don't need to dodge this."

It's on par to what ST was at the start honestly, just a tad bit harder (due to higher ilvl so it has to compensate for more damage etc.)

You want to know how much the devs listened to the audience?

We got the ADS mount that we joked about at Fan Fest.

Well their are trolls and there are trolls on both sides..
What is funny is there are allot of people who agree with things that could be better or fixed but are afraid to say something because of the pumper trolls. they just keep their mouth shut..

I mean very few could actually think everything in a game is 100 percent perfect. Some people also seem to focus on whats negative too and not what is good.. I mean FFXIV is doing really well so something has to be good. There are obvious troll to that are here to just bash the game.

That's why I don't mind the smaller maps, but it also hinders open-world content since they weren't designed with that in mind - Which is why Yoshi says..(supposedly) that Heavensward maps are "huge" as they're going towards open world content again. You can't deny though, that the current maps really do feel cramped because they tried to make them thematic so it's like everything is shoved in your face so you honestly don't have to go too far or even explore.

It's why I liked XI's atmosphere most, some maps were designed to be far more...natural? Like people actually live in the world, not just in the cities. I know there was an "event" in XIV's lore, but even then the world seems ..untouched in a way. The hallway comment though..reminds me of all of XIV's instances with the exception of the Garlean ones..

That's literally..all one long hallway. That's why I miss the branching style of dungeons so you can at least have multiple routes xD.

Edited, Jan 20th 2015 8:31am by Theonehio

Not sure what you mean about people "living" in XI as opposed to XIV. There were no NPCs in FFXI outside of city/town zones that weren't monsters or zone guards, with VERY few exceptions. Even in places where you could see buildings that were possibly inhabited in FFXI (like the farmer's sheds around Rolanberry fields) you never saw the actual farmers there.... just their pet goobbues.

For me it is not that I dislike them it just about pretty much all level 50+ (end game dungeons) dungeons are exactly the same..

I liked them early on and I think the newer ones are better than the ones before them. Other than hey lets flip a switch here or click on a snow ball they are the same.

Every time you run the dungeon it is the same too..

All bosses do something based on how many hit points are left. Why couldn't the boss mix up his abilities instead of always performing them at the same spot in the exact same order?

Take Scylla in ST why does day break always come at the same time? Why could daybreak not be random and he opens with daybreak or come twice sometimes.. This would make it far more interesting than just memorizing a boss fight..

I would like to see a boss be different or react different to the situation or at the minimum have something different than just a memory fight with dodge mechanics.
They are all pretty much the same and abuse dodge mechanics and its not just dungeons it pretty much all bosses in this game.

I have not done all boss fights for raids or primals but is there one in this game that does not use dodge mechanics?
Is there one that doesn't use memory mechanics (meaning at a certain point in his hit points he does the same thing)?






Edited, Jan 20th 2015 4:56pm by Nashred

I also wish they could do something about this. Then I remember that things are scripted to no end, and the majority of the population can hardly dodge mechanics that you KNOW are coming. We failed Scylla 3 times the other day, THREE! People would not get on their platforms.

Shiva EX right now is much like Levi EX was on release, pretty darn easy to farm. The reason for this is Ramuh EX is still a wall for the majority of the players, so you tend to play with people who have cleared the more difficult content. What's frustrating, once again, is the fact that Ramuh EX is harder then Shiva EX. Problem was the same with Levi, he was easier then Titan and Ifrit EX.

Shiva EX seems to be on the right path in terms of primals and fights. You can lose a tank, lose a healer, lose anyone and recover. Start doing it too often though and the enrage timer will get you, or you'll just plain wipe. Which is a breath of fresh air when you think back to other fights, tank's dead? Over. One healer down? Over. DPS down? Over, won't beat the dps check. She also has a tad bit of randomness. Phase 1, the order in which she does her attacks can vary. Afterwards, sword and staff is something you have to pay attention to, but it's nothing big.

I agree though, the purely scripted fights get old in a hurry and it becomes a massive chore to farm.

For me it's a number of factors. First being the overall process of the dungeon run doesn't change. Trash'll largely be in the same spots, bosses in the same arenas, etc.. Some attempt at randomization could go a long way here even if the end result is still bosses in the same order. The second aspect is just an uncertain degree of time commitment. If I log on and queue as a DPS, I may be waiting for an hour or so. Then the resulting group may either be awesome or not so hot, which could be the difference between a 15m run or being there for another hour. This really only worsens when you up the manpower to 8 or 24. Finally, I just plain dislike that alternative progression methods are either outright inferior or just way too grindy. Solutions are only going to be found here when fear of RMT is pushed aside and the feelings of the 10% aren't held above the remaining 90%. Basically, people need reasons to be out in the world where coming together for things like FATEs is also quick, but not mandatory. This'll make smaller play chunks more digestible and less just kind of staring at the wall, especially if you want to gear up multiple jobs within a patch cycle. ...which I guess reminds me that I hate lockouts, too.

I gotta say though, OP's preaching to the wrong choir. It's like you walked into a Mormon's Church and called ******** and sacrilege on everyone, it's not going to go well with the "believers".

FFXIV "Believers" are very similar to Justin Bieber "Believers", you know what I mean? It's like, no matter what that punk *** little **** does, they will have FAITH in him!!!

All jokes aside... FFXIV is NOT a good game by measuring it against most of it's predecessors, it's (arguably) one the best that the current MMO market can offer, there's a big ******* difference there.

It seems to me that FFXIV is experiencing success because of only two things:

1. There are not enough new MMO's coming out, that's innovative enough, to steal the crowd away, YET.

2. FFXIV is such a direct copy of WoW, anyone who no longer enjoy WoW as a MMO, pretty much only have FFXIV to explore. I mean, what other choices do they have? GW2? Lineage II? Secret World? There's really nothing that "GREAT" out there. The iconic legends are all too old. No one wants to go back to an aging FFXI, certainly no one wants to pick back up Ever Quest or Ultima Online for that matter..

A good analogy would be, think of MMO players as Car Buyers. Now, the only options that are given to you, that you can buy from the market, is a sorry *** Corolla, Matrix or a Camry. (No offense to anyone driving those...)

So out of all the ****** choices I have, I pick Camry. Not because I LIKE it, not because it is a PREMIUM vehicle, it is because it's the BEST on what the market can currently offer me compared to the other choices!

When the brand new Porche rolls out, I wouldn't think twice on swapping, I guarantee you that.

I think that once a MMO does come out that is innovative enough and it actually works... FFXIV's subscription would fall faster and a lot worst than the 1929 Wall Street Stock Market crash. It's a prediction, not for sure, but certainly a very possible outcome with the game's current risk free/safe but never innovative trend.

Fact of the matter is, there was a fundamental reason why I originally picked up a copy of FFXI and did not join up with WoW. No matter how popular WoW is, no matter how cool it made you feel when you are a customer of Blizzard Entertainment, I never wanted for a second to join up WoW. When I actually did subscribe to WoW for 2 weeks, I quit, couldn't handle the "Let me hold your hand" system that is WoW.

With FFXIV, no such feeling exists.

There is a reason why I liked Bio Hazard series, never enjoyed Resident Evil 4 and beyond.

There is a reason why I liked Final Fantasy 1 - 11, but not 12 and beyond.

I can't really explain, but the best I can describe, is that at some point in time, the Japanese game developing companies had passion. They had a vision of what a steam punk fantasy world should look like. The world they created, was fun to be in, because it was a Japanese interpretation of what that world should be. So different from any Western game makers at the time.

Now days, every game is designed according to the Western gaming market. Tons of money are spent to collect data, feedback on exactly what the Western market want. Then Square Enix wants to become Blizzard... because they like American Green Backs.. who's to blame? Everyone loves money, and if by selling out, you get more market share, then why not?

What is Final Fantasy you ask? Final Fantasy, was the last ditch effort of the great Sakaguchi Hironobu (坂口 博信). His last attempt, to create something he thought was special and magical. And the games where he was the "Executive Producer", were fun to me, looking at records, it seems that he was Exec Producer for FF1 ~ FF11. Then starting FF12, he was gone.. hmm... now that we mention this, it seems more clear to me why I never enjoyed any FF titles beyond 11.

I mentioned several times that Naoki Yoshida killed the very soul of Final Fantasy XIV. I was wrong. The soul of Final Fantasy died when it's original inventor left the company in 2004. Just because of one **** up, Spirits Within, this poor man's career was pretty much over with.

Just the same as Hiromichi Tanaka, one small **** up (actually this part is debatable, as you can't blame him for launching a game that was far from sharpened. he's got a deadline to meet and S.E. revenue quota as well, what do you want him to do? come out, apologize to everyone that the game needs another 2 years in development? he did lash out on his dev. team, but how would you expect him to react? he's given a task, he has a vision for it, the team doesn't have enough time get it right, but they launch anyway under the company's finance pressure....) he's literally done for that.

Imagine yourself traveling to Japan, enjoying much of the culture and differences there. The beauty of the land, the strange and mysterious ways of the Asian culture. Everything is exotic and beautiful to you. That is the 80's, 90's, early 2000 era of MMO gaming.

Fast forward to 2014, the Japan you want to visit is no longer there. The beauty of the land, the sight seeing, the strange culture and mysterious Asian ways are gone. Now, there's a BestBuy and a McDonald's every other block in Japan. Now there's strip malls all over the ******* place, old historical land marks are bulldozed over for SUPER SHOPPING MALLS.

This, is how the entire Final Fantasy franchise feels to me right now.

But.. we are all grown ups now. Our difference in opinion, is just different opinions. No reason we cannot mutually respect each other. I accept the folks who really enjoy this piece of **** right now, but I cannot and will not do the same.

The best way, as an adult, to deal with this kind of problem, is simply not paying a fee for a product you don't like, to a company that you no longer support.

Some good points, but don't discount the power of the Final Fantasy brand name, either. A lot of fans of the single player titles won't really consider other games, even if they're better, because they're playing XIV as an FF game, not as an MMO.

You know I may not agree all your points and you do have some valid points.. This part of your post might pertain to me a little bit but only a little bit.
I have always like the Japanese RPG's style. I dont know why but I always liked them. Maybe why I never like WOW even though the game fascinated me.
I always thought the Japanese had a little more imagination when it came to games and especially rpg's. I didn't like the puzzles allot because I didn't always understand them..

Maybe it had to do with the first rpg that really drew me in and it was Suikoden II, so I pretty much base allot of other rpg based one this game. I might have dated my self with that though...

See I want some imagination!

I think FFXIV is a good game with a little bit It could be a great game..



See I work hard and when I get home I want escape, I want fantasy, I want adventure, I dont want to watch YouTube to learn a scripted fight. I want challenge but I dont want walls either..

I agree with Thayos:


Edit:
This is a funny story and this is the truth.. I been running Garuda HM for lights like most. I fell asleep a couple times. Tesee looks at me and I am snoring, my eyes are pretty much closed and I am still healing and surviving. A game should not be like that. So scripted I can sleep and still heal through it or so bored I fall asleep.. I wasn't sleeping through the whole fight, I doubt I could heal through that..





Edited, Jan 21st 2015 10:03am by Nashred

Aw, come one, you didn't like standing around for 10 minutes waiting for the airship/boot to arrive, then standing around on the airship/boat for 10-15 minutes during the ride, then *finally* arriving at your destination (assuming pirates or sea horrors didn't kill you first?) It was an ADVENTURE. *rolls eyes*

So in other words, Heavensward will be more of the same even though Yoshida said they're moving towards more open world (aka akin to XI/1.x) in some designs? Despite obvious criticisms? (and yes they do exist, even Yoshi admits them.) It doesn't matter how the criticisms are laid out - People who don't like seeing XIV criticized and will adamantly defend everything about it will always find it as "whiny" or "you shouldn't compare it to SE's other MMOs."

Considering the guy who's in charge stated this game is a Fan Service title, isn't it a bit weird to be so push off towards something when the game itself already isn't standing on it's own? Heck a good majority of its content and systems derived from 1.x. So it's not unreasonable to expect anything to change, just like XI changed with every expansion - Hell ToAU introduced an "actual" instanced system to XI, which was quite the change from the usual XI content at the time.








Edited, Jan 21st 2015 8:14am by Theonehio